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What Does A Woody Copper Coin Look Like When It's Still Red/Uncirculated?

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It seems like all the woodies I've ever seen in person and photos were brown/circulated. I know it's from improper alloy mixing so unlike toning it should be 'there' from the get go. But is it not visible until the coin marinates in the world a while?
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I forgot if it was Badthad or Tropicalbats who has posted an uncirculated woody from a bu roll...and it is quite noticeable and different from the toned ones.....hopefully they will jump in here for you.....
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Not sure what a US Cent looks like as a BU Woody but I can say Canada Cents looks very nice as BU woodies. I will have to see if I can find a photo of one I have.
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I don't know how you make the munching popcorn symbol, but YES, THAT. Can't wait to see some photos!
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I wouldn't think a full red BU woody would be very visible at all. The Woody characteristic results from improper mixing of the alloy, and then those areas of different composition being stretched out during the rolling process. The different "stripes" differ in compositions by only a tiny amount and it is the slight difference in how the two compositions tone that makes the stripes visible.
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I understand all that, but you're not saying why the nature of a woody's making would cause it to be non-visible in a b.u. but visible in a circulated. Do you think it's kind of like actual wood, where the soils and oils of circulation serve as stain and varnish, bringing out grain much more starkly than visible on a virginal coin?
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But the rolling lines are not seen until the BU goes away on the copper Memorial planchets. On the zinc cents you can see the rolling lines on them in BU:
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Here is an off center that show the lines stronger on the un-struck area. But still visible on the struck area, just not as strong looking.
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I will have to see if I can find a photo of one I have.


While this coin is from Canada and not graded it looks to be UNC or high AU in hand. It is also the most noticeable woody in my collection.
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OOOoooo nice coin, MontCollector!
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They are visible as a light greenish/chartreuse hue. True, not super obvious and not as pretty as a true toned coin but interesting. I have been too busy to post images and that will continue through most of today but will try to dig one out when I get a chance.
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I understand all that, but you're not saying why the nature of a woody's making would cause it to be non-visible in a b.u. but visible in a circulated. Do you think it's kind of like actual wood, where the soils and oils of circulation serve as stain and varnish, bringing out grain much more starkly than visible on a virginal coin?

Yes that is basically it. When it is red and new the color difference between a stripe that is 96% copper 4% zinc, and one that is 94% copper 6% zinc (and the difference in composition may not be that great). But as oxidation sets in and the stripes tone at slightly different rtes over time the color difference becomes greater.
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I also never saw an uncirculated Lincoln woody, and I suspect it's as @Conder101 said, because of differences in toning over time. But I was curious if there were ones that were really visible in mint state, so I did a search in the Heritage archives and found these, all straight graded by PCGS or NGC. The 1913-P is pretty subtle, and it's possible that it would have gotten more pronounced in circulation.

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I know I have some gem red woodies but they would be in my tube of toned coins which is out with a collector going through it right now. They don't look much like a woody but can have nice colors so I file them that way.

However, I did find an MS coin just starting to tone to RB which sort of shows what they look like. The regular allow will show as regular color, in this case RB, while the more brassy parts will show as a yellow/green chartreuse. This example isn't perfect, but it shows it enough to demonstrate what a full red would look like. Not really striking and very subtle, but those yellow/green highlights can be appealing on a good one.

1955-S Woody MS RB


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Great thread awesome question with great examples
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