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 Posted 03/03/2020  4:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jbohanon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm curious if anyone has been able to figure out why the American Memorial Park W quarters are selling for so much on ebay. I have one listed right now that shot up to 20 bucks within a day. In contrast, I had a War in the Pacific go for 4 bucks a while back. There's no major difference in the quality and even circulated examples are bringing a premium.

Looking at "sold items", it seems like the other four coins sell at about 10 apiece while this averages around 20. What's so special about this one?
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 Posted 03/03/2020  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Erscolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A very long time ago I realized that trying to figure out the thought process in others was a wasted cause. The 2019-W (and now 2020-W) Quarters are the only non bullion, non commemorative coins issued beginning in 1939 that I do not have. Two million of these were released into circulation for each design. That on its own does not warrant calls of rare or the like, and since last year the prices of these coins have come down in price quite a bit. This includes the coin for the American Memorial Park. Why each of the four carries a different price requires analysis of thought processes. Greed causes a slot of strange things as well, and the root of all of this is greed. I will stick with the cheap seats and enjoy the many coins I already have.
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 Posted 03/04/2020  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't realize that people were greedy for wanting to get the most for what they're selling. That seems smart to me and I don't have an issue with it. I agree with your point about them not being rare which is why I'm also going to wait a few years before purchasing them. What I do have an issue with it the reasoning behind why the mint decided to release coins in to circulation and not offer the same coins for sale on their website at a premium. I was at the ANA Money show last Friday. The mint director wasn't there as scheduled, but I did speak with a nice gentleman from the mint about the quarters. I told him that I thought it was a good idea to release the W quarters in to circulation, but they should have also offered them for sale on the website. He said "look around the room." I replied that "I know, it's mostly old men" to which he replied that we've got to do something to get children involved in collecting. I said that I don't disagree, but the problem is that loyal customers that have been purchasing high quality uncirculated quarters for years in mint sets now how to by them from resellers at a high premium. Most of those who've found the quarters are not even collectors, so it's just been an opportunity for them to make money. He said that they want to get children searching through their change for the W quarters. I replied that I understand that and they could still release them in to circulation and offer them for sale on the mint's website at a premium for their loyal customers. I went on to say that what happened is the mint's targeting of customers they don't have was done at the expense of their loyal customers.
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 Posted 03/04/2020  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Next time your in line to purchase something, take a look at how "younger" people (lets say 25 years old and under) are paying for things, they use plastic or their phones.....just saying
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 Posted 03/04/2020  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You really want the Mint to sell them direct to collectors? Of course we want to keep the interest up so collectors will keep searching their change for them as well, so OK sell them direct to collectors, $10 apiece. Now you can buy your "high quality" piece directly from the mint. Oh and the pieces the mint sells just get pulled from the regular 2 million production, no special treatment and they are a "sight unseen" purchase, no returns. I could accept that.
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03/04/2020 11:11 am
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 Posted 03/04/2020  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Greasy Fingers, Your observation is spot on. Coins don't mean much to younger people because they're not as much of a part of their daily life. Stamps are another example. They're not needed for communicating with people far away, so there is no emotional attachment. The same is true of cars. They don't represent the means to be able to communicate with peers like they once did because young people are constantly in contact with each other when they're not together. Therefore, cars and car racing simply don't mean much to younger people. When all is said and done, I think the mint's efforts are mostly going to be in vain.

Conder101, You seem rather irritated at the thought of people being able to purchase -W quarters directly from the mint. Why would you have an issue with the mint selling off of its website at a reasonable premium AND putting some in to circulation as an enticement for people to look through their change? Why can't there be a win-win solution that makes those who like to pick coins out of circulation happy and those who like to buy mint state examples directly from the mint happy? One does not undermine the other. If you think that the mint offering the W's on their website does undermine the reason for putting them in to circulation, ask yourself this. How many children have been able to get all of the 2019 W's out of circulation? I know that I've been looking and have not seen the first one, so I'm pretty sure that finding all the 2019's within the attention span of a child is going to be near impossible. The children that really want to complete their sets will have to buy on the secondary market. Given the prices that the 2019-W's have been selling for, that will cost them more versus what the mint would have charged at a reasonable premium. At the least, the mint offering them for sale would have kept the secondary market prices for the 2019-W's down at a more affordable price for young collectors. For example, if the mint had offered a 5 coin -W quarter set for $10, they would in effect be putting a $2 secondary market cap on the price of each quarter that a child couldn't find in circulation. I think that lower costs for the ones they have to purchase would be more likely to keep them in the collecting hunt.
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 Posted 03/04/2020  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmgi2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with what the Mint is doing by releasing the W quarters into circulation only. You can't please everyone all the time. The reason the Mint did it this way was to create some real excitement in the hobby for the average collector who likes to hunt their change for desirable coins, which in my opinion was badly needed for many years. Offering these coins directly from the Mint would have pleased some collectors, but for me, it would only increase the total mintage which I think would have been counterproductive to the purposes that the Mint had in mind for the coins in the first place. Two million coins of each design is quite low in relation to mintages of business strike coins over the last 60 years or so, let's just enjoy it. Even though the coins have come down in price from what they were at the beginning of the release, and they may come down a little more in the next year, I still think these coins are going to be much sought after by collectors for years to come, and their prices will reflect that. When values finally stabilize in the near future, I don't see any reason why these coins won't be selling for at least $7 each for nice circulated ones alone. These are going to be hoarded to some extent, and when that happens, prices have no where to go but up if the demand is present.
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 Posted 03/04/2020  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see a huge difference in paying the Mint $10 for something or paying Jim Bob in Biloxi $10 for the same item. Other than the packaging, you're getting the same thing, right? Good ole' American capitalism in action.

I suppose it's possible I might feel different if I were putting together a set. I found my only example in a roll of MS quarters.
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 Posted 03/04/2020  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't see a huge difference in paying the Mint $10 for something or paying Jim Bob in Biloxi $10 for the same item. Other than the packaging, you're getting the same thing, right? Good ole' American capitalism in action.

If the coins were in the same condition and the price was the same, then there'd be no difference. However, the coins have actually hit circulation and the prices are much higher than $10 for all five.
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 Posted 03/04/2020  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I for one like what the mint is trying to do by only putting these in circulation. I have been searching for the W quarters since they were announced. I haven't seen a single roll of 2019 quarters yet from any bank in my area. That just makes me want to try harder to find these quarters. I love the thrill of the hunt and I know that I am not alone. My wife finally found one W quarter (War in the Pacific) a couple of weeks ago at her store. The luck of the draw. I will eventually buy any W quarters that I don't find but that won't be for at least a year. Whether this plan creates new collectors or not, it doesn't hurt. I love it!
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 Posted 03/05/2020  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Conder101, You seem rather irritated at the thought of people being able to purchase -W quarters directly from the mint.

The WHOLE point behind these coins was to provide for a "rare" coin that could potentially be found in your change. They had a low mintage, and a portion of that mintage would become worn in circulation thereby reducing the number of MS coins even further. If you were lucky enough to get a MS coin it would be worth a little something, but even a circ piece would be something exciting to find.

Frankly I wish they had distributed by shipping them directly to the Fed reserve banks with instructions to mix them in with the returned circulated quarters from banks. By sending them out with the new coins collectors have been buying up the boxes of new coins and stripping out the W's, reducing the number that ever got into circulation.

Have the mint sell them directly to collectors as well would probably greatly increase the mintage. Maybe another million or two million. The circulation finds are now basically nothing because there will be many more MS pieces available than there are collectors. That's why I suggested such a high price per coin from the mint. To try and keep too many from being sold and still giving the small young or new collector the chance to possibly find something good. The guy who just HAS to have a MS piece and doesn't want to try to find one, can pony up to a dealer or the mint I don't care which. I also set my "Mint" price at what I believe the dealers are asking now deliberately. If you HAVE to have a MS coin, support your coin dealer. (also why I said a mint ordered piece would be none returnable. You want a nice one go to your dealer and pick out a nice one.)
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 Posted 03/05/2020  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The WHOLE point behind these coins was to provide for a "rare" coin that could potentially be found in your change.

No. The original intention was to bring children in to coin collecting. The means was by providing them the opportunity to find rare coins in circulation. This could have been done regardless of whether or not the mint offered them on their website. Given how they were distributed, how difficult they are to find and how much they're now selling for, that's been a fail.


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Frankly I wish they had distributed by shipping them directly to the Fed reserve banks with instructions to mix them in with the returned circulated quarters from banks. By sending them out with the new coins collectors have been buying up the boxes of new coins and stripping out the W's, reducing the number that ever got into circulation.

Great idea. Perhaps that's the new distribution method they've eluded to.


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Have the mint sell them directly to collectors as well would probably greatly increase the mintage. Maybe another million or two million.

Sales of 2019 mint sets are at about 320,000. I see no evidence that collectors would buy the -W quarters at a rate of three to six times the number of mint sets sold. In fact, I suspect the sales would be significantly lower. The mint could easily set a product limit of 100,000 or 200,000 which is only 5% or 10% of the mintage total.
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 Posted 03/08/2020  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbohanon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All good points, but does anyone have an answer to my question? :)

For the record, I just had four W's go on ebay. 8 bucks for each of 2 Rivers, 10 bucks for a War in the Pacific and 28 bucks for an AMP.
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 Posted 03/08/2020  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's just speculation on my part, but I'd say it has something to do with the distribution. If the AMP wasn't as well distributed, it might sell for more even though the mintage is the same. Take the Truman and Eisenhower reverse proof Presidential dollars. Both had the same mintage, but the household limit of the Truman was five while the household limit of the Eisenhower was two. I don't know what each is selling for now, but for the first couple of years after their releases, the Truman sold for considerably more than the Eisenhower.
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 Posted 03/09/2020  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No. The original intention was to bring children in to coin collecting. The means was by providing them the opportunity to find rare coins in circulation.

That sounds to me like the idea was to provide a rare coin that could potentially be found in your change.


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This could have been done regardless of whether or not the mint offered them on their website.

Offer on the website and suddenly they are no longer "rare coins" you could find in your change.


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Given how they were distributed, how difficult they are to find and how much they're now selling for, that's been a fail.
They are supposed to be "rare" and they are difficult to find. Difficult to find, isn't that the definition od "rare"? Sounds like they are exactly what was intended. That's hardly a fail.


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Sales of 2019 mint sets are at about 320,000. I see no evidence that collectors would buy the -W quarters at a rate of three to six times the number of mint sets sold.

How about the fact that the S mint business strikes sell at around 1 to 1.25 million. I suspect the W's would sell at least at that rate or more.
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Offer on the website and suddenly they are no longer "rare coins" you could find in your change.

Given the mintage, they're certainly rare by modern standards. If they're offered on the website, the total mintage isn't changed, and 90% to 95% are still put in circulation, they'd still be considered rare in circulation.


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They are supposed to be "rare" and they are difficult to find. Difficult to find, isn't that the definition od "rare"? Sounds like they are exactly what was intended. That's hardly a fail.

Keep the children in mind here because that's the stated purpose of this whole thing. How difficult is it for a child to find all five -W's in circulation? Pretty much near impossible. That leads to discouragement which will not keep them interested in coins. That's what leads me to believe this whole thing is a fail. Good intentions in the beginning, but a failure in execution.


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How about the fact that the S mint business strikes sell at around 1 to 1.25 million. I suspect the W's would sell at least at that rate or more.

And you base this on what? The -S quarters can be bought for 1.47X's or 1.975X's face straight off the website. A coin selling for 8X's face (at $10 for a set of 5) with a total mintage about twice as high wouldn't likely have more demand. Again, keep in mind that we're only talking about putting 5% to 10% of the total -W mintage on the website. The rest would still be put in circulation for the children to find. Therefore, it wouldn't make a significant impact on their odds.

BTW, this discussion is pretty much moot. They're doing it your way.
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03/09/2020 09:48 am
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