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1733-1794 Netherlands Silver Rider Ducaton NGC And PCGS Combined Pop Report

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 Posted 10/10/2021  07:13 am  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, not at all. $6000 is too much, but in this market, $3500 maybe. Long term, $6000 will look like a total bargain.

I just realized last night my Deventer is the only Deventer which has been slabbed by NGC/PCGS.


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 Posted 05/20/2022  11:55 am  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Combined pop updated this morning...

https://wondycoin.com/wondyreport/s...20220520.csv

This is a .csv (comma separated values) file which can be opened with MS Excel or other spreadsheet software.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Volvicch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Beem.

Just a question, I was thinking about submitting a bid for this silver rider, what are your thoughts on it?

Thanks in advance


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 Posted 05/31/2022  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Volvicch,

Looks nice, maybe AU? Is it graded? Looks like it may have been cleaned. Higher graded West Friesland Silver Riders are much more scarce than those from Utrecht.

I have one from 1761 graded by NGC as AU58 if you'd like to compare:

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Thanks for your answer, beem. The coin is not encapsulated. I was thinking about submitting a bid for it to supplement my Lion thaler, but the price is currently going well north of 400 Euros, so I thought I'd get an expert opinion. That's a lovely coin you've got there.

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Quote:
Just a question, I was thinking about submitting a bid for this silver rider, what are your thoughts on it?


Doesn't look like a graded coin. I would be VERY hesitant to buy using only these photographs. Surfaces could be corroded.
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NumisEd:

If the surfaces were corroded, I presume it would say so in the auction catalogue but there is no mention of it?
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 Posted 06/10/2022  07:32 am  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems ridiculous, and it's a little high, sure, but that coin has a pop of 2 and 1 finer. That said, I have one of the AU55's which is undergraded by PCGS.

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Of the 497 total (including those from 17th century) graded AU50 and higher, 285 of them are from Utrecht. The other 212 are spread over 9 other Provinces.

Deventer - 1
Gelderland - 26
Gron & Omm. - 4
Holland - 46
Kampen - 2
Overyssel - 21
W. Friesland - 63
Zeeland - 47
Zwolle - 2
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Prices for graded Silver Ducats and Ducatons are in cuckoo land. You basically pay 4-10x times the price of an ungraded specimen.
In fact, you could make this a very profitable business by buying raw Silver Ducats and Ducatons in Europe, have them graded, and then resell them on auction websites such as Heritage or Stacks Bowers.
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 Posted 06/12/2022  12:55 am  Show Profile   Check beem's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add beem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where are these great raw Silver Riders for sale?
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 Posted 06/14/2022  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Volvicch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They pop up once in a while in the local auction houses here in Spain. On ma-shops.com you can find specimens going from 300 euros and upwards.
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I'll share my ducaton too - I got this a part of a lot so it was very affordable, but seawater damaged (most likely from a shipwreck?). Love the hefty weight and size of the coin and loved seeing the high quality ducatons shared on this thread!

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