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1919 S Lincoln Wheat Cent Mint Error - 3 Rim Cuds + Broadstrike

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A fellow CCF member pointed this one out to me (thanks you!) and I picked it up. It's a pretty nice uncirculated coin and looks closer to RB in hand as I took the photos with the lighting to show the Cuds and not the color.

It has one rim Cud on the reverse, and two on the obverse. It also appears to be broadstruck, with a diameter in all directions of 19.3mm. The Cuds are unlisted and will be submitted to cuds-on-coins when I get a chance.

Looking for confirmation from the error specialists about the broadstuck aspect. If it is confirmed as broadstruck, and with three discovery Cuds, I may submit it for grading.

1919-S Lincoln Wheat cent mint error - 3 rim Cuds + broadstruck


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Great looking error cent! I'll be interested to here how this one is described.
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This is an odd one @tb, but I agree with your assessment (for whatever that's worth). If you don't get a lot of input here, you might reach out to Mike Diamond for his opinion prior to submitting.
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Can you measure the the diameter?

Interesting coin. I think grape showed you the 1921 Lincoln that I came across with a similar appearance, I never pulled the trigger on it, but I was tempted


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Can you measure the the diameter?


@tb mentioned that it is 19.3 mm in all directions.
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Thanks folks! The diameter is 19.3mm in all directions.

Grapes asked me about that 1921, and from the photos looks like something going on, but in the end I was leaning more toward a slightly tapered planchet than a broadstrike. Could be wrong, as it's a minor thing (as with my coin) and not obvious one way or the other to me.
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It looks like a broadstrike to me. I see what you are calling Cuds, but honestly I know very little about them and can't say one way or the other. I'm interested in others opinions so that I can learn.

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Cool find. Hope the submission goes well.
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Duh! don't know how I missed that! Sorry about that
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Was the weight mentioned? It looks like a thinned/tapered planchet issue from the weakness on the rim areas?
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Agreed it could be a thin planchet issue. It weighs 2.97g. So a bit light and a bit too big of a diameter.
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So there are multiple issues with this strike.
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I'd check the edge to confirm or rule out a possible wide collar issues. Thanks, Doug.
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Interesting error I never heard of. This coin has no vertical edge cracks but not sure if that rules this out or not.
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TB , in this pic I put an arrow pointing out lines on the edge of a cent. These lines are ejection lines, caused by the coin scraping it's way out of the collar. If your coin has any evidence of them then there was a collar around the planchet when struck.
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I can see light vertical marks similar to what you are showing in the pic. And the bevel on both sides seems more curved and strong with more of a thinner strip of flat surface going around the edge of the coin. This is starting to sound like the wide collar thing, with the coin getting struck and expanding a bit into the wider collar but still showing collar marks?
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