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Another Barber Half Dollar For The Collection

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 Posted 03/31/2021  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never really got into the Barbers. Probably because I never had any nice examples...but looking at nice examples like yours gives me a new appreciation for them!

And I know what you mean about the household and their shared interest...lol

Nice pick-up...looking fwd to your progress!
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 Posted 03/31/2021  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, this story has turned into a rather disappointing tale.

Ty2020b suggested I take a close look at the hairlines on Liberty's cheek, which I did with my 10x loupe. There, under the toning, I saw two marks, one running horizontally across Liberty's cheek and the other, vertically and larger, from the hair down through the cheek, forming a cross shape where they intersected.

I also discovered that what I thought was a toning streak running from 2:00 on the obverse to Liberty's chin was, in fact, a long, thin, toned over scratch.

I didn't notice any of these when I first examined the coin and took the photos. To the naked eye and in the photos the coin looks great.

So, the coin is going to be shipped back tomorrow for a refund.

My thanks to Ty2020b for his suggestion to further examine the coin. It saved me from a costly purchase mistake. I was considering sending this one in for grading but now know it would have most likely received a "Details" grade.

I also was reminded that toning, while it can be lovely, can also hide things. I am glad to be part of the CCF community where there is always numismatic education going on. I know I need it.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good thing you didn't listen to me then.

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Great luster and light toning that doesn't appear to hide anything or impair the look at all.


Though on my side, it's hard to see these types of things without the coin being in hand where one can tilt it around and get views from various angles under a point source of light. I enjoy grading from photos and I think I usually do pretty darn good most of the time, but it's not the same, and too easy to get fooled, as you've just proven.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
westcoin,

Don't feel too badly about this. I had the coin IN my hand and was still fooled by it.

All in all, I am pretty impressed by how well people do on the grading forums.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  10:40 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a shame. It's certainly an attractive coin, but it shows the limitations of assessing a coin by photos alone. Good that you were able to notice the problems in time for a return, and good for Ty2020b for prompting you to examine it again.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For high value coins like these, perhaps it is better to stick with slabbed coins? Less of a chance of unpleasant surprises.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, the upside of this is that I will get my money back and can put that towards another purchase.

I've been looking at proof Walking Liberty half dollars and Mercury dimes, a high grade Liberty Seated dime or a nice 1909-S Lincoln Cent. Perhaps one of these will make up for this one. Whatever I purchase, it will be slabbed.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well, the upside of this is that I will get my money back and can put that towards another purchase.
Excellent!
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 Posted 04/01/2021  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, don't think I didn't check those out last night. A guy's gotta dream.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry this one didn't pan out, but hopefully those funds will land you a beauty!
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 Posted 04/26/2021  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have received the refund for this coin. Now to think about how to spend the money I have back.
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 Posted 04/26/2021  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have received the refund for this coin. Now to think about how to spend the money I have back.
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 Posted 04/26/2021  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin and I like the obverse toning. I too noticed the fine hairlines and wondered if they were from an old cleaning. perhaps someone can enlighten me. The reverse has a bit more wear and flat spots so I think I would have to grade this at the lower end of the AU scale, perhaps AU50 for the reverse and AU 55 for the obverse. Just my opinion.
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