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...just something doesn't seem right to me with this coin I've been ogling. The 1918D's generally from worn dies and poorly struck. I looked through close to a hundred of these on ha.com and only a couple had even close to this beard detail. They are also more bassy in appearance. The die state of this coin is just awesome....it's killing me!

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kinda leaning to maybe proof?
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 Posted 01/11/2009  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SecretGlitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No proofs were made in 1918, and Denver never made a proof cent.
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eh I was guessing lol
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You own this coin? Or what do you mean by ogling?
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I thought the master hubs were re-done in 1916? Maybe I'm wrong (about Denver dies) but the late teens generally have great detail.

By the way - That's got great devices! Could be worth $2K-3K?
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Keep in mind, even worn dies were relatively fresh at one point....
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No, I don't own it, but thinking about it. LOL

If it's legit, it's the earliest die state/well struck example for this year/mint ever. Go look at ha.com. I don't think anyone would forge one of these, the S is more valuable than the D (lower mintage), but, in conditional rarity, this ones a gem. The MM looks genuine, the D rests in a depression.
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No doubt this coin has been through at least one chemical bath. It is NOT original. For what it is, it does look nice. I do agree that it has a strong strike and little die wear.

I don't know how much you're looking to spend on it, but I would suggest staying under the MS63 level. Although the coin is low on marks, it still has been altered.
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No doubt this coin has been through at least one chemical bath. It is NOT original. For what it is, it does look nice. I do agree that it has a strong strike and little die wear.

I don't know how much you're looking to spend on it, but I would suggest staying under the MS63 level. Although the coin is low on marks, it still has been altered.


BINGO! Exactly what I was waiting for someone to post. I think someone tried to make it a full red coin at some point. What a shame because it's the best detail I've ever seen on an 18D. I suspect it was rejected by a TPG for altered surfaces.

Thanks Chuck!
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So what is the price they were asking for it?
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It is NOT original

I agree. The luster is definitely subdued as well as the uneven re-toning. Killer strike! Would make a nice addition even though altered.
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Although the coin is low on marks, it still has been altered.


This is an interesting thread. Q. David Bowers repeats several times in a couple of his books that many slabbed full RD Lincolns from this era have been altered.

He's talking about PCGS and NGC slabbed coins. Doctoring coins has gotten that good. According to Bowers, many early Lincolns slabbed as RD are actually altered coins putting their price into the stratosphere!

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onejinx - This coin will go over $200.

Brad - Yep, I have to agree with Bowers, he repeats that over and over in his book. I actually think most of them were slabbed long ago, before the TPG's figured it out. I've seen many pics on ha.com of coins too clean to be true in slabs. I'm getting pretty good at detecting the dippers. I'd be very surprized if one could slip though today as close as they are looking for that now.
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I figured it would have been higher.
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