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Double Die Or Machine Strike Double? (1969 S Cent)

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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Char510 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Howdy all! Ok I am a little confused about dates or lettering like thus. To me it looks doubled but I am not sure.
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent

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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antmark3d to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its hard to tell, it look to be the lighting, but hopefully someone else will be chiming in soon.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the ant that this looks like glare from the lighting looking rather than doubling on the coin itself. Maybe better pics would help us to see what you are seeing?
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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The areas are white. is probably what you are talking about. That is glare on the flat surfaces causing Machine Doubling to be hidden. The glare is what we see, while you actually see the Machine Doubling. Machine Doubling is not a doubled die. On doubled dies they show a spread on the centers of the devices. Machine Doubling is seen on the outside/insides of devices. The spread is seen in the centers of doubled dies, and it make the devices wider/taller still having the contours on all sides of the devices. The real DDO-001 is very strong doubling:
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Note, the normal size devices (first image) Machine Doubling on the second image, and the doubled die side by side to show you the differences? (note how much larger the devices are on this example)
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Note the date is the normal size but slight reduced on the Machine Doubling on top image, and the doubled die on the lower image. Note how much the devices are enlarged on the doubled die. Machine Doubling removes the contour of the devices. The contour is what you see, when you use a single light source, and the top of the device fades from light to dark on the lower parts of the devices. On MD this is no longer seen, as that area of the devices are removed by the glare the Machine Doubling reflects of the light source. Because this is done by the machine after the strike, even doubled dies (which has the doubling on the die) can be affected by Machine Doubling:
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Note the dates on these 4 images, they are all of the DDO-001. But now notice the yellow arrows? Those are the areas affected by Machine Doubling. So it is the machine that damages these devices right after the strike and this can happen on doubled dies as well.
Probably less than 50 total of the DDO-001's, as they were noticed, this doubled die and was pulled from production. But a few examples got out.

So how do I know about the glare and Machine Doubling issue? Well, I found a way to show what you are seeing, and remove the glare that is hiding what we can not see on a normal image. It uses a inverting of the colors, and this remove the glare from blocking the view that you see, but we can't see. It is an inverting of the colors:
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Note the lower image. That was what was posted here. On the top image I inverted the colors to the opposite and now we can see the Machine Doubling, that the glare hid from our view, but you can see on you magnifier. It is the lighting that creates this glare. More examples?
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
Double-Die-Or-Machine-Strike-Double?-1969-S-Cent
So the inverted images show us what you are seeing and what the glare most of the time hides. Hope this helps.

CoopHome: Why can't you see what I see in my images? (Light inverted to remove glare)
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Ok thanks everyone I tried an inverted pic. I guess it's machine.. to bad the penny is in great condition.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The lighting makes it difficult to evaluate this.
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08/25/2021 3:22 pm
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 Posted 08/25/2021  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please, full coin photos next time, ok? We always ask for full images of both sides and one or two close ups of areas of interest. Sometimes we can uncover other issues you may have missed.
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 Posted 08/27/2021  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Char510 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is my 69s.. it was a bit better but after I found out it was a dud I kinda tossed around.. but he still is a handsome shiny coin

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 Posted 08/27/2021  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you like it, keep it, otherwise toss it back and keep searching for something better.
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