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Machine Doubling on an incuse device. Not the area to find DDR's. Central areas of the OBV/REV on the States and ATB Quarters are where you find the doubled dies on these single squeeze dies.
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 Yep Coop. I'm sure you're correct Would have fooled me. 20 is very thick and last 2 is normal but separated with another normal 2 beside it. |
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this is not Machine Doubling as mentioned above, it is unusual because it is not recorded anywhere yet. there is proof of seperation on the number 2 which makes it a candidate for double die error. thank you all for you r inputs. |
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I have never seen a double die rotate separation from north/south as it is on the first 2 to west/north east on the second 2. Coin looks like it rotated. I would be curious to see pictures of the entire coin.
Not that I'm going against coop. He is definitely one of the experts here and I trust his diagnosis implicitly. I'm just curious to know how this happened.
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But note, the the same affect in not seen on all of the date and other devices. The incuse marks on the coin is from raised devices on the dies. So Machine Doubling could happen Before, During and After the strike. When you see metal striation lines on the devices, that is die movement during the striking progress. This doesn't occur on a doubled die, unless there in Machine Doubling on the doubled die coins. (Which does happen) |
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Thank you coop. So the die moved and not the planchet. Got it! So are these the metal striation marks you are seeing? Vertical on the top of the 2? Also the lines between the two tips of the 2's?  |
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'm not quite sure what to say here...... .....& this is the exact reason why it's so important to have someone who knows what they're doing respond to questions regarding numismatics. This coin has been attributed as the 2012 -p 25C AK WDDR-015 ..... & Will be appearing in Wexler's "Varieties Notebook" column of September's issue of Coin World. |
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I remember your org. post. I've never seen this before on an incised device. 10 years to discover. Congratulations for the discovery.  |
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Coop has already correctly identified it. It's incuse Machine Doubling. Doubled dies reduce incuse devices and enlarge raised devices. This is quite a nice example, but it's still only an example of Machine Doubling and not of any monetary value above face. If you're saying that Wexler attributed this as a DDR, then he either found doubling on the coin unrelated to the part you posted the image of or else he made a quite embarrassing mistake and forgot that the date on ATB Quarters is incuse. We're all human. Even Wexler makes mistakes. Edited by SamCoin
08/25/2022 12:30 am
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So...let me get this correct... the almighty coop was incorrect?  You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Coop was absolutely correct. The almighty *Wexler* is incorrect (more surprising). Unless the doubling was just on an unrelated part of the coin... but it's gonna be quite silly if he publishes this as a new variety if the part pictured is the doubling he saw.
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I'm poking fun, easy there cowboy. I too am curious as to how this one ends up.  You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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It is a 2012 coins. The Hammer in question is hold by 4 points with no way to move from the main axel. If it is MD, is physical impossible to be only one digit doubling. Here I have hard time to understand. Vertical old time strike I understand, but the modern horizontal strike?!!!! I am skeptical. Those machines are so compact that if one piece is out of the range or loose just stop. Old think of what was I do not think could apply to this modern way to produce the coins.
I think all the community and those sites must adapt. Strikes till 1999 and second after 1999. Why we still refractory to the modern era?
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08/25/2022 02:12 am
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