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Thoughts, Advice, Reactions To Some Oddly Framed Coins.

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 Posted 04/26/2022  5:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I have seen a few of these framed displays around Rome, Italy; based on the construction of the frame and the dates of the newest coins I suspect they were framed in the late 70s.
I am curious to hear the reactions to these and if they are worth considering and at what price ... Mostly, I'm surprised this type display was ever put together and ... Why?

The french bronze may have some value... The 1890 Morgan ... Certainly depends on the mint...these were likely prized by someone at some time ... But ...

Thoughts please!
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 Posted 04/26/2022  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like an odd assortment out of somebody's world junk box, and likely not worth the price—am I seeing 99 Euros? Of the U.S.coins, there are two or three silver half dollars, the Morgan dollar, and a clad Eisenhower dollar. That brings you less than halfway to the selling price. I won't speak to the value of the other coins, but the presentation is not particularly attractive.
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 Posted 04/26/2022  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Odd assortment that lacks appeal.
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 Posted 04/26/2022  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At a $105, I would pass on this group of world coins. I'd figure out face value for those that can be spent (like the 5 CHF) and add melt for the others to determine the max I would pay.
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 Posted 04/27/2022  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@half, coin, spence . . . I agree!

The price is at 'make an offer' stage. I think the shop will accept 30-40 euro.

Mostly, I posted this as a curiosity to the forum to see if anyone could figure out what this collector was thinking when they decided to glue a bunch of coins to a highly acidic off-gasing blue mount board . . .
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 Posted 04/27/2022  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay a couple of decent silver coins there, but why place it with rubbish like a Zambian Kwacha and that AWFUL Churchill Crown.

In fact a lot of silver, French 50 Franc coin, a silver German 5 marks and silver 500 Lire, at least 2 Silver half dollars and a badly toned Morgan. But why in gods name add some junk pieces like the Churchill and the unidentified cupronickel crown in the middle second row.
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 Posted 04/27/2022  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I think its two displays, the coin I thought was a Kwacha is a hispanic thing (The guy looked like Kenneth Kaunda).

Still have this clapped out laptop that does not enlarge photos.
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 Posted 04/27/2022  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to sew from the photos, but looks like a decent 2-3 oz of silver in there. $60-75 wouldn't be unreasonable, IMO
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 Posted 04/28/2022  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry .. I should have clarified... It is two separate displays... The french bronze and morgan are in on... The 50 franc is in the other.
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 Posted 10/04/2022  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I bought these two today... Looking for a project...here's the results...

Based on the years of the coins I think these were framed around 1973-1974...the frame quality and aesthetic support this... As well as the terrible glue....
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There is a bunch of junk junk... A 1972 d Eisenhower dollar a.72 Kennedy half... I'm able to sell some of the lower grade silver locally... I paid €90 for both frames...I should get a bit back out of the lower coins... The french.bronze is interesting....


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 Posted 10/04/2022  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not much going on here. I suspect they were framed to sell to an uninformed tourist.
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 Posted 10/04/2022  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jim, I would agree if I didn't see so many of these type of horrible displays all over Rome. By my calculation, it's about $75 in just melt - ie Morgan and 10 Franc at $15 each. I have about 15 other junk coins. All of the lower than 90% coins - except the 40% halves - I will sell on and recover a good chunk of what I spent. At the end of this, I will have the Morgan, the 10 Franc, a Franklin and 64 Kennedy half, 4 40% halves - 20 swiss francs which are face value - and a french bronze. I figure - Morgan $15, 10 Franc $15, 64 Kennedy $7.50, Franklin $7.50, 20 Francs approx. $20, the French bronze ? - and I'll sell the rest on.

It was apparently a 'thing' in the 60s and 70s here. I see framed displays of absolute pure junk - no silver at all - from the 60s and 70s.

Tourist items here are far far more obviously tourist oriented, ie fake roman coins, etc.
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 Posted 10/04/2022  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found some info about the French bronze medal at CGB: https://www.cgbfr.com/louis-xviii-m...12506,a.html
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 Posted 10/04/2022  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @era. I'm reading a lot of conflicting information on how best to go about removing the glue from this medal... Acetone? Acetone on a q tip? Other suggestions? Let me know what you think...
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 Posted 10/04/2022  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Use an acetone soak. Then after a few minutes, use a q-tip to help remove. Then rinse in distilled water. If left too long in acetone the junk will re-deposit.
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 Posted 10/04/2022  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why?

Art.

The 1970s was the height of the world coin craze. Franklin Mint was churning out all kinds of overpriced mass-produced coins. Obviously, some coin dealer in Italy thought they could do some "value adding" by getting a bunch of random world coins, gluing them onto a frame all artistic-like, and selling them for twice the price. If there really are so many of them littering Italy right now, then clearly, their marketing tactic was successful too.

And I have to say, their packaging seems to have fared better than Franklin Mint's packaging at preserving the coins. Yeah, there's glue stains, but the blue pseudo-velvet background doesn't seem to have destroyed the coins as much as Franklin Mint packaging did. I fully expected the other side of that copper medal to be a corroded mess.
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