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1971 S Lincoln With Raspberries?

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Guys can you tell me what causes this, it is always on the obverse side, I found several in a roll.
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 Posted 07/31/2022  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it could have been Struck Through some grease or oil.
This would account for it being on several different coins.
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Are those features raised or sunken (incuse)?
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Assuming they are incuse, struck through gritty grease seems like a good possibility.
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Are those features raised or sunken (incuse)?

Actually it is undetectable.
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@bill, you might be able to tell if you take a close-up at an angle to the surface of the coin.
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If there is grit mixed in, then the incuse marks will show up even more.
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When this is on the fields, it affects the fields of the coin struck with that substance. It is either wicked off the die or moved into the depths of the devices and designs.

CoopHome: Why do the fields show dull areas on the coins? still of the fields of the die (outside edge of the dies)
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Bill, are those areas reel shiny like it was a proof strike just in that area?
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If it is a strike through, why didn't it affect the devices (Liberty)?
I think some better images are in order, plus need to know if it is incuse or raised.
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If it is a strike through, why didn't it affect the devices (Liberty)?
I think some better images are in order, plus need to know if it is incuse or raised.


Looking at the first picture it does look to effect the word "Liberty" and also the lettering on the left (LIBE) possibly looks to be machine damage?

@bill, you might be able to tell if you take a close-up at an angle to the surface of the coin.

Attempted but with my Tomlov, I wasn't able to.

Are those features raised or sunken (incuse)?

Taking a closer look, it does appear to be incuse.

Guys if you wanted me to, I could send it to you all for a closer look?
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Question: If it is a strike through, why didn't it affect the devices (Liberty)?
You have to think like a die to understand that answer. On a die, the fields are the outside edge of the die. So anything affecting the fields, and wasn't affecting the devices (Which are incuse into the die) will show up on the fields and not affect the devices. Thus they tops of the devices and the design could be not affected if the substance was not into the incuse devices on the die.
A die is a negative of a coin. (what does that mean?) When you look at the coin the raised devices are tallest on the coin. On a die, they are incuse into the coin and mirrored:
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Note on the image the fields are the outside of the die, the devices/design are deep into the die. The rim is formed by the outside step down, thus making the rim rise above the devices on the coin to protect the devices on the coin. While the fields are the deepest part on the coin. So thinking like a die, the outside (fields) could have something that not filled in the devices on the surface, thus leaving an incuse mark on the coins. Hope this helps.

CoopHome: Think like a die? Dies are a negative, coins are a positive
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Thanks, Coop, much appreciate the info.
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I aim to show you what I see on a coin, and why I think that. I don't hide any secrets. I'm getting to old to not share what I know with others. I feel that is the best thing to do. Welcome aboard.
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