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2022 P Jefferson Nickel Possible DDO Find

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Going through nickels today and noticed this and decided to find another 2022 P to compare. There is a strong difference in "IN GOD WE TRUST" there is also slight differences on other areas on the obverse.

I looked at wexlers and variety vista as well as the link on wexlers for Jefferson nickels for DDO listings and found nothing.

I am putting photos of both below to show the comparison.


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Looks like a definite extra thickness DDO to me, but it's an odd one as it looks more like a class VI with doubling extending radially towards the rim rather than the more common rotational smearing about a pivot point that we see on most class IX extra thickness doubled dies. I feel like this would be well worth submitting to VV or Brian (the person who handles Jefferson nickel varieties for Wexler).

Edit: even weirder, the top serifs of the letters seem to be less affected than the bottom serifs of the same letters... this is a very weird one, and I'd really like to know what one of those experts thinks.
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I will submit these to Brian and see what he says. I almost missed it because I normally look for smearing or spreading. I went through all nickel years from 2010 to now that I have and nothing like this. I will post what I find out.
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I would definitely have missed this since I don't even check these devices ordinarily. I usually look at the date on the obverse and MONTICELLO on the reverse.
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Wow definitely looks to be a DDO to me.

What's throwing me off is the direction of the doubling, it looks like all the lettering is doubled towards the rim? Like the old Class II + VI. I have not seen that happen on a single-squeeze era coin yet.


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even weirder, the top serifs of the letters seem to be less affected than the bottom serifs of the same letters...


I recall some of the old Class II + VI DDs having this effect as well.
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Very cool find and look forward to hearing the outcome. Thanks for the comparison pics, makes it much more noticeable.
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I sent the info to Brian's variety coins email. The message said failed to deliver. I sent it to support@briansvarietycoins.com on his site. Does anyone have a better link to email?
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 Posted 08/29/2022  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Capt. good eye to catch this and thanks for sharing it. Great pictures, it really helps me out to understand this new find.
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@CaptJeffWorthFL try either posting to the CONECA forum or sending an email to James Wiles at Variety Vista.
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I will forward it to James at variety vista.
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Looks good to me. I look forward to hearing the results on attribution.

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I found a couple of these but couldn't get the pictures that you did. I blamed it on Die Deterioration.
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It doesn't follow the normal DDO for the single squeeze dies. So I feel this might be very interesting. Keep us posted on this one.
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It is packed and ready to be sent to Texas for a hopeful hand attribution from James at Variety Vista. Once I hear back from him I will post the outcome.
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I like the extra thickness. You did a great job of showing it.

Will be looking for the update.
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