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Valued Member
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Is there a list somewhere or database that has just the doubling descriptions for various devices for the varieties? For example, I am going thru about 100 pounds of Lincoln Cents collected over 40 years. I sort them and such as per the typical thing to do. Then I check a spreadsheet I created that lists doubling, mint errors, etc. So I might have a handful of 1989 LMCs and I have my spreadsheet of what to look for, like 89 w/ reverse of 88 and vice versa, or the 1989 DDO or DDR, etc. Then I find something that might be some abnormal thing about the cent under the microscope or picture, and run to the websites to check variety listings. They tell you everything you need to know to identify the die used that created the error or doubling, etc. which is totally awesome. BUT what I would like is just the top line in a list without having to scroll down thru all the die markers until I am able to identify if my assumed DDO or DDR is on the list. ========================= Example: Doubled Die listings for : Year-Mint DDO-001: Extra thickness shows on the date and Liberty DDO-002: Large spread across all devices DDO-003: Notches at SW of BERTY DDR-001: Split serif at R in America; Extra thickening of EPU DDR-002: Extra column in bay 4 of Memorial; ========================= Do you see what I am getting at? I ask because there are I think 16 DDRs for 1989 LMC. Whenever I find something interesting, I have to scroll thru tons of pages to find each individual heading. I used 1989 as an example but I was hoping something existed for all years and mints. Thanks if you can help. |
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If you go to one of the three reference sites we all use and type in 1989 DDO for example you will see a description of what to look for on each attribution number. Is that what you are referring to? John1  |
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Hi John, Yes sorry. Thanks. I am sorry for using the term "database" because that is exactly what all the sites have for us to search. I think what I was trying to say was I was hoping for the results to come back in a line-by-line list only. Basically, I was looking for something to put into a spreadsheet.
Coppercoins.com is the closest that comes to displaying results after a search on a line-by-line list so it is easier to scroll through quicker to read the main lines before clicking links to further details. On the other hand, Wexler's has listings for some cents that the other sites don't. Varity Vista is ok too, but I was just hoping there was a list in existence, like an Excel file maybe. It would only contain the info in the example I provided.
Edit: It would be nice also to not be dependent on Internet for just the basic information.
Edited by CentSeeker
09/06/2022 05:06 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm very confused about what you want. The descriptions of the doubling are at the top of each listing on Variety Vista, Wexler's, and Coppercoins... just ignore the stuff about die markers if it's irrelevant to you  |
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I wonder if some "top line" descriptions could be duplicated because they have different die markers.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what CentSeeker is asking about is a written list of varieties that tells the reader what the PUP's are for each year/variety. This way, when you find a 1989 LMC, for instance, with something that looks out of the ordinary you can just quickly consult a written list and determine if further investigation is warranted. VV does this but not intuitively as they don't put the description up front with the listing. They require you to click on (potentially) each listing to see if it matches what you're looking at. For instance, 1989 LMC has 9 varieties listed, but there's no description available until you click on each listing. The basic problem with your premise is that CRH'ing is essentially a visual hobby. I used 1989 as an example on purpose because each of the 9 varieties for that year all involve some amount of extra thickness on the date and if all you had was words that said "light extra thickness" or "medium extra thickness" on the date it would be completely useless in helping you to know whether you had something. There are a number of years that are just like this (different doubled ears or LWC's with slightly different DDR's) such that you'd find yourself referring back to photos just as much as you did before. I made myself a cheat sheet to help me remember and hunt the more significant varieties, essentially starting with those listed in the CPG and then adding those that I thought were cool (and easier to find). I freely admit that after 5 years or so in the hobby I still can't tell light extra thickness from medium extra thickness and don't really even try any longer. If it's not obvious to my eye in the first 5 - 7 seconds I spend looking at the coin then it goes into the return jar. I've probably missed a number of minor varieties over the years but like to think I make up for it in volume. Hope this helps the hunt. |
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Best to look to what is listed, so that when you spot the varieties, regardless of year/mint, if something is new, then you will recognize that. Looking for just those doubled dies, will not help you find a new listing. Also keep in mind that the differences of classes of doubled dies are also a clue for certain years. The multi hub doubled dies will be different than the single squeeze doubled dies. So knowing these differences will also affect what areas to concentrate on. Knowing what areas and what to look for is a better guide for knowing where/what to look for. IE: 2004 DDR on the EPU areas: In searching for that year, the listings showed what to look for. 2004-D DDR: http://varietyvista.com/01c%20LC%20...%202004D.htm2004 DDR: http://varietyvista.com/01c%20LC%20...20(1-21).htmNoting the DDR on the EPU was something I was looking at. Seeing these made me wonder? "Could this be happening on other years? So I searched other years to see if this could have happened and a new DDR could be found. So I included looking at this area to see if it happened or not? After a few months, I found a new DDR that was not listed yet:   So looking outside of the box, I discovered something new: 2002D-1DR-001: http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mdshttp://doubleddie.com/839139.htmlQuote:
2002-D 1¢ WDDR-002 "Best Of" Variety
Description: A nice spread to the west shows on the left side of EPU and the left dots.
Die Markers: Obverse: A die gouge can be found south of the first 2 in the date. Reverse: A die gouge can be found to the left of the lower U in UNITED. A die gouge can be found to the left of the lower L in PLURIBUS. A die gouge can be found above the upper left dot. Die pitting can be found above the end of the left Memorial base. A die gouge can be found in the upper first bay.
Submitted By: Richard Cooper
Cross References: Coppercoins: 2002D-1DR-001 So knowing what could happen helped me to realize there were often new examples, that following a list would not help you to see. So knowing what to look for is a better tool than a list. So train your eyes as to what to look for, then you will find new listings. CoopHome: Is using a list to look for helpful? better to know what to look for on what range of dates. different years have different varieties. Edited by coop
09/06/2022 11:58 am
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CentSeeker, Basically what you need to learn is what the 9 classes of doubled dies look like. This way you can look at any year coin,cent,nickel,dime,etc and if you find a doubled die then you look it up for an attribution number. John1 |
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United States
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Thank you everybody. I understand I must learn the 9 classes and also BOLO for possible new varieties. We all learn in different ways. Coin collecting is indeed a visual learning process, nobody can deny that fact. Here is the thing tho, I have very poor eyesight along with a tremor, so if you can imagine me trying to look at a coin thru a loupe, you might chuckle just a bit, haha! That is why I have to put every coin under the microscope or take HD pics. I mostly take pics so I can zoom in to see more closely on the TV connected to the computer, because I am still learning how to use the scope properly. So anyway... @HGK3 interpreted what I was looking for: Quote:Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what CentSeeker is asking about is a written list of varieties that tells the reader what the PUP's are for each year/variety. This way, when you find a 1989 LMC, for instance, with something that looks out of the ordinary you can just quickly consult a written list and determine if further investigation is warranted. A list would really help me to format the descriptions the way I need to in order to learn in my own way. I have spent sooooo much time trying to scroll thru all of the listings and zooming in to the website to read just one line. If I had a list like I need, it would save me a lot of time. I started taking notes when I was into some 1982 LMCs that were so confusing with having to weigh them, then identify the date style etc. So here is an example of what I am looking for:  I have a feeling there is one out there that might be in a text file or something. Even if it has all the other die marker data, I could edit the list to my specifications by removing all of that die marker data and popping it into Excel. Or perhaps someone with a database could do an export? Thanks again if you can take another look at my needs. |
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