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I apologize for the overlap, it was still much quicker than typing out the notes for each picture again as well as re-uploading each picture. Really my questions are- Does die clashing imprint a fairly accurate image of whatever numbers or letters were clashed against? Is it uncommon for one singular Lincoln Cent to have so many, differences on it, compared to an example of the same year and mint mark? Why is there what looks like an "R", noticeable with jewelry scope and still so in pictures, enclosed in the "D" mint mark? And if there is not just one "S" but two struck under the date, in the immediate mint mark placement area, where one is partially covered by the "D" mint mark, is it possible that this cent could become sort of D over S "variety"? I'll check on this again soon, been straining my eyes too often of late.
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@mint, yes there is a lot going on with this cent, but it largely looks like zinc blisters and circulation hits with a little Pareidolia mixed in. Sorry, but I'm not seeing any mint errors on this coin.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sorry but I do not see anything that you see.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree, these effects are created by zinc deterioration and circulation damage. You're seeing animal shapes in the clouds.  to the CCF!
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New Member
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Thanks for the reply Spence, and oddguy, I know the pictures I took are not the clearest or zoomed in as much as others can, but here's one of the original pictures but re-edited with green for clarification.  And here is the same picture but I changed the color tone as to more easily see lines or letters or numbers etc. Also I turned up the sharpness in the photo settings to make the lines more visible in the picture.  Yes, the "R" I drew with my finger on the screen is not an exact match to the letter that is within the "D" mint mark, but just an example, a reminder drawn on the same page on the same picture, it can help.
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Hey Coinfrog, did I just imagine the letter that I edited a green box around in the picture, or can you see it without your 4th cup of coffee yet? I mean it is after 9 AM, guess you still need a minute. Now if anyone can say what they mean and be reasonable, that's what I was trying to hear, something reasonable. I did not say every instance of something that I took a picture of would be a mint error or make the cent worth 10 large overnight, but if you can't see that than I'd get a pair of glasses because it's as zoomed in as I can get it before it gets overly blurry. Now, whoever has decent sight of their eyes, can't disappoint me much more than ole "animals in the clouds" over there.
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@mint, I 100% see the areas that you are talking about and also agree that these are vaguely shaped like the letters R and S. However, they simply cannot have been minted with these extra, off-sized letters embedded in the die. Does that make sense?
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Sure does, and I shouldn't get defensive, I'm legitimately surprised that out of three responses from three different sources only one vaguely sees it how I see it, one doesn't or didn't see what I was seeing, and continue to see, on the coin itself with magnification and pictures taken through the magnifying glass, and then another source who, while it may have been a sort of joke or may not have been, says I'm imagining things, not a direct quote. Honestly, in the green box who thinks that does not look like an S? It's literally shaped like an S, two hooks connected by a less curved hook. A stretch to me would be saying it looks like a 5 I mean come on the pictures are not that blurry
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Now I want to ask how often do zinc blisters and circulation hits gouge out, or shore up, not just one or two, but multiple I'll say "characters" in or on the same coin with at least two different sources, saying at the least it does look vaguely like an "R" and an "S"? That seems unlikely to me, that coins that are circulated and slammed into other coins every day and night for years and yet this is one of the first coins where I found multiple "characteristics" on the same coin and more than one looks like a letter.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll say it directly - you are imagining things. The mint could not possibly have created these oddities either deliberately or in error.
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I agree that it may look like a "S" but it was not on there when the coin was struck. It cannot be hand punched as the last hand punched mm was in 1989. It cannot be on the die or else every coin struck from that die would have an S on it. The devises are permanently engraved into the die so having an incorrect letter can't happen. What you have is some sort of mark or damage that looks like an S, nothing more. It doesn't really matter how this happened, If it didn't occur during the striking of the coin, it is considered damage.
Edited by JimmyD 10/31/2022 10:52 am
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OK how about this going picture-by-picture: 1. Overall coin pic  It looks like there is some die polishing around the chin and eye area 2/3. Date and MM  Looks like split plating and some zinc bubbles/rot. 4. Under the ear and jaw line  Seems to be more zinc bubbles 5. the WAM  Yes, it is a WAM (which is normal for this year) and what appears to be staining on the surface of the coin. 6/7. reported as extra columns  This is the normal appearance for this coin. Behind columns 1 and 12 are secondary columns that wrap around the building. Behind columns 5 and 8 are the wall openings to the inner chamber.  8. FG  I see more staining to the east of it. 9. Liberty  Possible DDD or MD - a far reach could be the start of a Ridge Ring - but not likely 10. close-up of chin  same as image 1 - looks like die polishing to me
Edited by Dearborn 10/31/2022 11:06 am
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Well, thanks for letting me know JimmyD. I'm not trying to sell anybody here this coin, I was asking questions that it might help to know the answer to about this stuff. But I'm not done showing pictures of how it clearly looks to not just me until ole froggy has his coffee. I'll learn and I'll ask questions to learn. But when I'm told why something happened doesn't matter, that it's okay for me to just know how it is, then it starts to sound to me like there's some old grubs here that want to keep a premium on their knowledge. To the sources of information that actually told me why or explained some of it, thank you and I mean it. But to ole frog, he thinks he was calling me out or something. Is that not why there is discussions on this site, to learn things you don't know? Because I may not know much about the mint and the rarest varieties or every type of post mint damage, but I'm calling you out for acting like a jerk. Actually that was less annoying than you acting like I'm imagining things, did I imagine it if others said it looks how I see how it looks? That's not about whatever each individual character/stratch/mark/damage or whatever it is, not about if it is there legitimately from the mint or post damage or not, it's about how it looks to other people. Now that's along the lines of what I was first asking in this thread, but since someone here is saying I'm imagining things because of what is in a picture, then I can talk silly and beat around the bush too but I don't feel like wasting my time.
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Hey I appreciate that reply. And replying in that order makes it pretty simple to go back and look at each individual thing with more clarity. Now about the zinc bubbles, wouldn't it be unlikely that a zinc bubble would form in a way that pretty much any letter looks like besides maybe "o" or something vaguely shaped similar? I ask because I thought the one I assumed as "D", I mean it actually looks to me like a bulging circular bubble object. I say that while I'm about to say this again as well, the thing that looks, at least to me, like an "s" on the neck, I took screenshots of that picture how it is there, and with the exposure setting in photo editing up at max and at the lowest low. I'll attach the two new photos as zoomed in as I can, in any case that thing on Lincoln's image's neck looks like an "s" to me whether the photo is how it looked or bright as it goes or as shaded as it goes. Please, view for yourselves.   I do see where it could look fat, on the thing that I say looks like an "s", there on it's East side but regardless, whatever that is it's a different shade and my point still remains as simple as it was before, the form that the thing is in looks just like an "s". If this coin was only worth face value I'd still be saying that because that's just common sense, and I'm not talking bad if anyone sees it differently, I'm saying for me to say it don't look like how it looks, that makes no sense.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I happen to agree with the Frog. There are several zinc blisters forming and miscellaneous circulation hits, all are post mint damage. There does not appear to be any errors on this cent; it did not come from the mint looking like this. Perhaps better photos would help. There does seem to be a good dose of Pareidolia involved as well. I wish you luck with this coin. Personally, I'd move on to something more promising. 
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