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1798/7 Draped Bust Dime Die Cracks Or Scratches

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What do you guys think of this dime? It is in an NGC AU(55) holder--are those big scratches on the obverse? Or die cracks? Or both? I am asking because I was considering trying to upgrade my 1798 dime in a PCGS AU(50) holder for this one, but the price difference, while I expect there to be one, was even bigger than I anticipated, and while I think the line going from Liberty's nose the second stay under the Y is a die crack (I could be wrong though--please chime in!), I suspect at least some of the marks on the other side are scratches.

I mean no disrespect to the dealer, who is someone I like--I am just curious what others think of this coin.


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 Posted 11/05/2022  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adjustment marks maybe
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If it is a raised defect on the die, then it would appear on other examples from that same marriage. So, the first step is to compare with other coins. This one is easy, because it is the 1798/7 so it can narrowed down quickly. Upon internet photo comparisons, the line that hits Miss Liberty's bridge of her nose is a die defect, and the one that continues parallel underneath the ribbon is too.

That incuse line that crosses over the ribbon I believe is a scratch.
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 Posted 11/05/2022  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like die adjustment marks to my eyes.
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Adjustment marks are put on the planchet pre-strike, which means the marks would affect the high points to a greater extent than the fields. This coin has raised marks only on the field, those are clearly not adjustment marks. The cut through the ribbon is a single curved line, no aspect of this is an adjustment mark.
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jacrispies is right.
Not die adjustment.
Its a die flaw visible on other examples.
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@ech, could you please provide a link to another example of this dime with the same linear feature? I'm well outside my swimming lane with 18th Century Silver, but that sure looks like a plain old scratch to me. Thx.
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That would be great.
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Looks like scratches to me, with displaced metal along the edges of the scratch.
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The line from the star to the hair and from the nose to star looks like die cracks. The line from the field through the hair ribbon looks like a scratch.
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The plate coin on PCGS has the die defect. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...reverse/4468
Under "more images" an MS64 example has it too.
Previous sale of this coin notes that "marks are seen behind Liberty's head." https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dime...bnail-071515
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Ok yes thx for those links @kbb. I was mostly talking about the line coming down from the hair ribbon. That's gonna be a scratch on the coin, right? I 100% agree that the lines from the rims to Liberty are from the die.
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Coin looks great. Love the craning eagle's neck (looks like a chicken) on the reverse and the sharp overdate with the inordinately small 8.

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I say it's a nice looking coin regardless.
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That is a very interesting coin, and the discussion here in this thread was most excellent. I was thinking, "that was when they knew how to do an overdate right!" I've got the 1942/1 Mercuries (from Philly and Denver) and the Denver one requires a lot of close peeping to id it. (Probably why it was recognized much later than the Philly one). This 8 over 7 is obvious, and the rim-to-rim obverse crack almost enables you to see it from across the room.
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