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1968 S One Cent With Lots Of Doubling.help!

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Hi.. Is it possible that I have found a doubled die 1968 S LMC? Hard to believe this is simply DDD or MD because the movement is East/West and not towards closest rim. Also "trust" is so different from normal . "Liberty" movement is North and the 6 has a split on top and date appears doubled. Extra eye lid. All photos are taken with one light straight down and not at any angle. I would appreciate your opinion, please.
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Machine Doubling and some glare doubling.
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It is MD. DDD is on copper plated zinc cents.
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Woe !!! And I thought 1968 one cent coins were copper.
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Agree this is MD.
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Machine doubling, yes. Die Deterioration Doubling can be found on wheat cents--the 'classic' poor man's doubled die 1955 as an example.
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Thanks... However, I wonder if anybody "really" takes posts seriously. A 1968 S one cent is not a Wheat cent.
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68s are copper. That coin has MD on just about every device possible.
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Thank you Halo1st. I appreciate the reference and education.
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Also this is not a DDD cent. The single squeeze dies didn't start for obverse until about 15 years later. Just Machine Doubling which is common on the 1968-1972 cents. Not a doubled die. On a doubled die, the devices are enlarged on the centers of the devices, not on the inside/outside areas of the devices. That is where die wear and Machine Doubling happens. Note on the DDO's
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Note the spread on the center of the '6'?
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Note the extra width of the center areas on the devices will show notches on the corners of the devices, because of the extra width of the centers of the devices.
DDR's will also show the same event happening because of the hub doubling on the die:
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On the outside and inside edges of the devices, that is where you will find die wear and Machine Doubling. So look at the centers of the devices for a doubled die. Also these Doubled die devices will be larger than normal die example devices.
Some devices are affected differently on Machine Doubling when the machine bounces/hops after the strike and affect the tops of the devices:
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Note the movement of the metal on these coins? This is a striking issue, not a doubled die. Note the device are still all the same normal size, just pushed into a new direction on the struck areas.
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Just pushed metal on the outside edges of devices. The centers of the devices are not enlarged. In fact on the last images, the metal is shoved towards the middle and not it is taller than the normal design. But this is a striking issue, not a hub/die creation issue. It is a normal die with a loose machine driving the post strike alteration on the coin. A doubled die only comes from a die that has the doubling, on the die. (created by the machine) Not by the die.
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Thank you Mr. Coop. I still think it's a cool coin and a keeper.
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It will just be an example to show to new collectors of a Non Collectable coin. Happened so often on the 1968-1972 cents. A doubled die is created on a die with hub doubling. A doubled die can have Machine Doubling, but the Machine Doubling has nothing to do with a doubled die coin. Same for flat field doubling. These are all striking issues, not a die issue.
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