1963-P Jefferson Nickel : What Do You Think? DDD?

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Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7507 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:03 pm Going thru. some Nickel rolls and came across a several examples of this in one roll, all have been struck by the same die. What do you think about the doubling on the digits and top of the 3 ? DDD? Edited by Chase007 12/22/2022 2:04 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 94812 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:06 pm sure, DDD or possibly a little MD as well. But not a DDO. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34396 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:07 pm With that bias toward the rim, my guess is DDD. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
merclover Bedrock of the Community United States 10635 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:09 pm My vote is for DDD as well. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7507 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:13 pm Thanks for confirming, that's where I was leaning towards as well. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:37 pm Not DDD, (These are not single squeeze dies) but extreme die wear. I see also slight reduction of the contour making this Machine Doubling. On Doubled dies on nickels they tend to affect the top/bottoms on the devices more. Why? Because of hub wear/hub flattening. Or an older hub was used one time and a fresher new hub was used. Remember these were a three step process to create the dies. So if 100 dies were hubbed, one time, the next hub process, would show wear on the differently on the second and third hub process. So the devices can be showing the tops/bottoms of the devices showing an inward hub spread, an outward hub spread. (Class two doubled dies come to mind) Thus the spread would affect the tops or bottoms of the devices on the near rim areas. Tripled die: (Some devices will show triple or doubled dies on the affected areas) Vary if also any rotation of the hub is present. These images were on a 1963 nickel. This slight/medium/strong difference of the hub will create doubled dies. 1960 Proof Nickel : That is just one type of doubled die that is cause with that issue. Other issues are created by other miss hub processes. Hope this helps in your searches. There are some years that have real extreme examples of this issue. CoopHome: What causes doubled dies? doubled hub devices on die creation process. Machine Doubling is caused by the machine. but a doubled die comes from a doubled/tripled/quad die process that creates a Doubled Die. so look for the spread/taller/wider devices that are the real doubled dies. Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19119 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 2:46 pm I'm still thinking die deterioration--just me. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7507 Posts	Posted 12/22/2022 4:29 pm @coop, thank you for your in depth assessment along with a very useful information. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 12/23/2022 12:20 am I try a different approach to help explain more depth of thought. It helps me to think of different was to explain more of what I'm seeing. True on the OP's coin is showing die wear, but my explanation shows why I think that way. What is not there, and why it's not a doubled die. (The closer you look at something, the more impressed with what you are seeing and not seeing) Report this Post to the Staff
Halo1st Pillar of the Community United States 2775 Posts	Posted 12/23/2022 3:53 pm Chase - 1st I find the obverse of coin in question rather unique. Coop - Quote: Not DDD, (These are not single squeeze dies) but extreme die wear. Been wondering why lately the DDD comparison to the single squeeze era? I find the DDD from one era can differ from another. Decades in-between still exhibit extreme die wear. Also why compare to the DDR(s) when the obverse anomaly is in question? Thanks, Doug. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 12/24/2022 3:26 pm The reason? How it affects the devices/fields on the two processes. 1. The profiles are different on the older style dies. The older designs are taller. So die wear affects the devices. 2. On the single squeeze process, the devices are not affect, but the fields are. This I feel the lower profile height of the devices are the cause. Thus when I think DDD, I visualize of the fields. On the multi hub dies of the past, the devices are the ones affected. 3. So on the older style dies, the devices actually move towards the rim. On the DDD examples the fields are affected, the devices don't move. The ridge rings are the movement towards the rims. They are polished then the devices are reduced in height/missing as the die continues to age. Both are extreme die wear, but the results are different on each type of die creation. Seems more like the zinc cents are the most affected with DDD. Die wear/extreme die wear is a better term for both, but when I think DDD the fields are affected. On the extreme die wear on the older die styles, the device actually move towards the rims. Edited by coop 12/24/2022 3:30 pm Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 12/24/2022 3:54 pm On those Nickels and characteristic for some coins, maybe 1/20 of the strike, we have Hub Doubling. This it is a very nice example and relative hard to catch. Report this Post to the Staff
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