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1925 Peace Dollar Counterfeit

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Dimensions and weight spot on but obviously a mushy strike and streaky appearance. Magnetic but pretty weak stick.

But here is the thing, I got this (and a few other older coins) from my parents. Just got off the phone with my Dad and he swears all have been sitting in a box for the past 50 years. They owned a restaurant in the early 70's and he used to pick out all older coins that got dropped in the till.

Any thoughts on this being a contemporary counterfeit?

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I think it's genuine, perhaps just wire-brushed.



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Its magnetic
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Didn't read your comments carefully.
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Either it's fake or it was nickel plated. Nickel plating will make it mildly magnetic.
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Surface is odd and image is hard to see fine details but some letters look off, especially the "VS"; I asked my contemporary expert and he has not seen one like it if it is indeed counterfeit.


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There are no fine details, you would have the same visuals under a loupe.IN GOD WE TRVST and PEACE are barely raised and nearly blend in to the background. 90% positive on the counterfeit but what baffles me is it has been lying around my parents house for 50 years.

Such a low value coin for a counterfeiter to target yet a pretty darn good counterfeit if it is a contemporary from the 20's or 30's.

Used to be 99% but the Nickel plating comment ate some of that up. As mentioned, barely magnetic. If I shook the magnet in that pic the coin would fall off.

Did I chance upon a US Mint Nickel-plated Peace dollar test from 1925 :-) One could only hope!!!
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DOCC, I have contemporary counterfeits of common date Indian Head cents, Standing Liberty quarters, Buffalo nickels, and Walking Liberty halves (among others). I don't understand how the slight economic gain from passing these justified the cost and effort of manufacturing them.
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@doc, can you please determine the specific gravity of this piece? That might help us to figure out what you've got. Thx.
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Dimensions and weight spot on.....


If the weight and dimensions are spot on, the specific gravity is identical to a genuine Peace Silver Dollar
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W is 26.76
D is 38.10mm
H is 2.4mm

Here is an interesting result though. I use my metal detector as another counterfeit test tool - it can be surprisingly telling. My other 2 genuine 1923 Peace dollars ring up at a VDI of 37. This one rings up at a solid 40 which is the same as a Silver Eagle (implying 99.9% silver) as well as solid aluminum.

Aluminum can be ruled out given it is 1/4 the density of silver and non-magnetic. Adding iron to it could be a possibility but the detector would give me a ferrous reading then, and the magnet (N52) would rip the coin from my hand.

Somewhat stumped. I'll get it back under the microscope and get some more pics with different lighting, the edging, and close ups.
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Tagging it as counterfeit and setting it aside. I see no obvious diagnostic indicators on O or R. The composition of this one intrigues me as parameters are near exact.

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I see no serious red flags besides it having magnetic properties and suppose it is most likely genuine. Maybe you can compare the feeling with other genuine examples if you have some laying around. Silver feels different and interacts with body heat different than other metals.

Probably just a basement science experiment that altered this coin's exterior properties.
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Interesting thread. I look forward to reading the OP conclusions.
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