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1878 Morgan Dollar 7 Feather Type 2 Double Tail Feathers

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 Posted 02/10/2023  08:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this type 2 7 feather Morgan with doubled tail feathers. I need some help identifying if there are other vams on this coin.
Does this have the short leaf VAM 203? I looked at numerous pics and couldn't figure it out.
Also does this have the polished tail feather VAM?
There also appears to have another missing design element at the left on the eagles right leg at the wing feathers. Am I correct? Is this a polishing error?
There is a star with a missing point on the obverse side to the right of the date.
The bottom of the letter B appears different than it should be. It's not the rib VAM as I don't see anything on the r or I.
Could I please get some help with grading and a possible value?

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 Posted 02/10/2023  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appears AU and cleaned in these pics.
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 Posted 02/10/2023  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like 7/8 TF variety. Check those listings in VamWorld.

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 Posted 02/10/2023  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's the light source making it looked clean. My father got this coin while he was working at a bank in the mid 60's. I know he didn't clean it as he knew the value of coins and keeping them original. If it was cleaned it was before 1965. This was in a box in his closet when he passed along with 20 other morgans
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 Posted 02/10/2023  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanx Bump
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 Posted 02/11/2023  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, 7/8 TF. Try going to Vamworld.com and look at the 7/8TF listings
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 Posted 02/14/2023  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check VAM 37.
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 Posted 02/17/2023  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there anyway I could possibly communicate with someone via email that knows about VAM varieties. I have found some things on my Morgan that I can't find listed in any of the varieties for 7/8 TF 7/4. I have taken some up close pictures of these items but can't get them down to 300kb without loosing clarity of the pictures. When I joined I had clicked the box for people to be able to communicate with me via email. If this is possible, please email me and place MSD VAMS as the subject please. Hopefully I can hear from someone and we can discuss my coin. Thanx
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 Posted 02/18/2023  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I clicked on your profile, but it shows you "do not" want to receive emails. You'll need to fix that before we can communicate. It may be related to your post count. Check the rules first.
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 Posted 02/18/2023  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am almost positive this is VAM 37 as the markers appear to match. (am a newbie at this and have spent hours and hours looking at this coin) But I have found an S mint mark between the G in GOD and the A in STATES. I can't find anything showing this as part of VAM 37. I can see it with my loupe and microscope. I am having trouble getting a clear picture of this to post here. Every time I cut it down to 300kb I lose clarity in the pic. Have tried at least 25 different ways of getting a pic of this at 300kb. Will continue to try, but would love to have someone accept an email pic from me to confirm what I see. Does anyone know if there is VAM with a mint mark in this location?
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 Posted 02/18/2023  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it says new members do not have the ability to email. sigh guess I will keep trying to take pics. If this is confirmed would it be a new variety or how would it be classfied?
Thanx SeatedNut for your reply
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 Posted 02/18/2023  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
see how clear this is. struggling with this
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 Posted 02/18/2023  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After rereading, I should have said an S that mimics the style of a mint mark S. It is smaller than a mint mark.
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 Posted 02/22/2023  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmmmm.no comments on the S ?
I have found extra metal between the leaves of the olive branch that I can't find listed in any of the VAM varieties for 7/8 TF 7/4. Is anyone familiar with an olive branch that has this additional metal?

Hopefully the picture won't be to bad. Getting some different lighting for future pics.
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Looks like SeatedNut has got you squared away on this one. Did you look at VAM-37? It has the correct reverse die but could also be VAM-36, it has a different obverse die. From what I can tell from your pics, it would appear to be VAM-37. Not sure what you are fighting with on this.

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VAM-37 http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...878-P_VAM-37
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 Posted 02/24/2023  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add village idiot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Am by no means fighting. There are two things that are different on my coin versus vam37. On the obverse the E in ONE is doubled to the right with the strongest plaice being at the upper serif and can also be seen inside the E below the middle serif at the backside of it (being a doubling of the upright post of the E). The upper serif is a raised area outlined by the dirt that is seen in the original picture. Also right above the E is a die chip above the second leaf tip of the wreath.
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