Help! 1963 D Doubling On Both Sides?

I've certainly never seen MD so extreme, but better to hear from senior members here I think.

An easy way to get immediate answers as to whether you have a doubled die, RPM, or OMM. Find them all listed here:
www.varietyvista.com

Scroll down, find the e-book for the coin you are looking for and take the links.

If yours is not listed then you probably have non-collectable doubling such as Machine Doubling or Die Deterioration Doubling (search these topics on this forum and at error-ref.com).

The more you use that site, the more your eye will be able to tell legitimate doubling.



Thinking of Slabbing? Make sure you understand the Facts...or You Could Lose Money.

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The Insider's Guide to Using Grading Companies


Popular mistaken mindset:
1. The grading companies are not a method/way that the majority of people, even those with a great deal of experience who know what they are doing, are going to be able to use in order to make huge personal profits. Many people start using grading companies thinking they will find a way to finance their hobby, but they learn a hard lesson quickly.

In general, the coin you have found in circulation is NOT going to make huge profits if slabbed. Way too many people pad the pockets of the companies and get nothing in return b/c they THINK (youtube videos and ebay auctions!) they have something rare.

Professional predicting not possible:
2. Watch videos where experienced dealers get slabbed coins back from the grading companies. Note even people who live, eat, breath, and deal coins for a living can accurately predict what grade the companies will give. And...the "fault" (not really a fault) is in a widespread mistaken perception people get from being exposed to all the slabs being sold nowadays:

a. Coin grading companies are a business out to make a profit - this is why they exist. They use a system where allegedly three, but in reality it's normally two (read the guarantee carefully), graders look at each coin and give an opinion. The company videos showing the process make you believe this is a relaxed and paced process of studying each coin. In fact one PCGS video shows a number of guys sitting around a table discussing what they think a specific coin should be graded as (on youtube somewhere - sorry no link). Uh uh.

b. If you take a (let's say) PCGS graded coin slabbed as MS64, break it out, and resubmit it to PCGS, you are never guaranteed the same grade again. The slabbed coin might come back MS62 (extreme and a bad day for graders), 63, 64, 65, 66 (extreme and a great day for you!). This is b/c the process is all subjective: No scientific/verifiable standards or methods are used. This subjectivity makes for greater company profits since people resubmit the same coin trying to get a higher (better price when selling) grade. In the 90s the companies, at great expense, created better (their own words) scientific methods not relying upon human opinion. No doubt the large profit from the re-slabbing game fell. The companies abandoned the science and went back to their less accurate systems.

c. It needs be mentioned that the fewer the "money grade" slabs a company assigns, the more prices of said slabs climbs. Thus more business is generated b/c more people pay to slab coins hoping to get that "money grade" slab. And the companies do keep records (accessible online) of how many of the higher graded slabs exist for each coin. While the idea of keeping money grade slabs minimized is speculative, there has been some convincing evidence of this being reality. And very few businesses will NOT go where the money leads.

But..this is all hearsay without proof. So...

Grading the coin graders:
http://goccf.com/t/346174#2967242
Here is another good read from someone there at the start of the grading companies:

Hobby negative impacts from slabbing companies
http://goccf.com/t/130186

Error on errors:
3. People also seem to think grading companies will examine a coin to see if they can find an error and then slab it as such. But again, they ONLY GRADE coins. The companies will NOT try to find and ID an error for you. You must FIRST ID the error yourself, CHECK to see if the company you want to use recognizes that specific error, PAY them to verify the error on the label, and then you may or may not actually get what you pay for! The companies have a bad reputation for attributing errors incorrectly.

Link to and read (download if you want it) the pdf link in my signature as an eye opening example. Sadly, the verifiable data presented from the PCGS website shows trusting people have spent thousands of dollars on many slabbed coins that are not what the companies claims/slabbed the coins to be.

Cost concerns:
4. B/c people do not understand the businesses, so very many people end up with spending far more money to slab a coin than the coin is worth. The companies profit greatly with membership fees, submission fees, insurance fees, priority shipping fees and extra (chosen) fees. When you do the math for all of these fees you are approaching $150-200.00 for a slabbed coin the very first time you submit. ANACs does not have all these fees though.


[color=blue]You don't have to throw in the towel over these companies[/color]...but education about the reality of them will put you on the right pathway to dealing with them in a legit way without losing money in the process.

Interesting piece. I'm thinking die deterioration--especially evident in IGWT and the date. When looking at the date, think 'poor man's doubled die' (as seen with the '55 Wheat cent).

Thanks guys! I'm still learning here and every time I think I finally found some doubling, I always get mixed opinions. Overall, at first glance the coin looks to be in really nice shape minus the rim near the date. It's hard for me to imagine damage/deterioration. The pictures really don't do it Justice. Anyone have an opinion on whether to slab it or just keep in a personal collection?

VLDS. Die was worn out. I believe DDD is just on newer coins.

Thanks for that link! If it helps the coin is 3.00g. I see how the date kinda looks like one of those pictures. What really makes me wonder is the doubling on the memorial and on "one cent" both can be easily seen with the naked eye. Like I said I'm still new to this but regardless, I think it looks very cool in person. I'm just not sure if I should send it off to be slabbed. Especially if it is just DDD but regardless, I think I'm learning(hopefully).