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Hey guys, I am going blind trying to accomplish a reasonable overlay with the lightweight tools on my iPad. To be clear: I only have a small suspicion that this is the actual doubled die WDDO-002. However, the R in Trust is very cartoonish, as are some other letters, and the date itself is thick. Possibly circulation wear, but let's be sure. What I need help with is an overlay. My coin is fairly weathered. The Wexler images of the die chip above the 19 are incredibly zoomed in, such that it's hard to match up features for proper sizing and perspective. I am trying to do this manually in an app, and it's tough going. And yet, this little blob (or shoved up dent, it's hard to tell) seems to match the exact proportions and position of one of the main verification markers. https://www.doubleddie.com/712534.htmlFirst image: overlay directly atop.  Second image: overlay, offset to compare features.  Remaining images: original images with magnification.     |
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 United States
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Interesting. A full coin image may help here too.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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LOL. You beat me to the punch. I was about to say, "And for all the folks who always need the full heads and tails pics:"   |
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United States
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Could be but who knows with a coin in this condition. As time goes on, you will learn to understand it is not worth spending time trying to convince yourself that you have something, when the coin is damaged. Looks to be some sort of environmental damage, maybe time in the ground.
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United States
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the R in Trust is very cartoonish When I rotate, crop, enlarge, and enhance your overall pic to show this letter, it looks somewhat normal for the amount of wear on this cent. Or am I missing something?  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Canada
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Me I see that the coin was cleaned and the surface was constrain to some acidic interferences.
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I am evaluating these coins for the knowledge, not the potential monetary payoff. I figure if I can identify features on beat-up nickels and cents, then I can move up to larger denominations, older coins, more valuable coins. Pop-pop's little stash included some Morgan dollars, 1964 Kennedy halves, silver Roosevelt dimes and Washington quarters, and unopened mint rolls of bicentennials. Properly working with those coins is my end goal. I do, by the way, wholly understand the sentiment that I am working too hard to convince myself that this coin is a match to WDDO-002. Usually I do the scientific opposite, to work actively to overturn a positive id. The fatness of the 1944 just bugs me on this coin, and that little object is maddening. What are the odds a faded dent would be pushed into that weird Florida shape, in the same position, in the same orientation? Headache-inducing!   |
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Me I see that the coin was cleaned and the surface was constrain to some acidic interferences. If it was cleaned, it wasn't by me. That penny was in a paper bank envelope my grandfather gave to me when I was a kid, 35 years ago. He just culled a few hundred LWC from circulation, in all conditions, many of them absolutely worn, corroded, pitted into the grave. My guess is that this penny was circulated hard for 40 years before pop-pop picked it out of his change and threw it in the envelope. |
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I suppose I might as well post the remaining pictures of this cent. What bothers me are the following: The stunted T of Liberty. Right arm is way shorter and cut higher than the left arm. The Y in Liberty. The left side is super thick but the right branch is skinny. Seems to happen often on DDO. The blobby hook in G, although it the letter top is not as pronounced as WDDO. The tips sticking out the top of W. The slight curve to the bottom of E, with that little hooking motion. 1st T in Trust, super stubby right arm. R has that balloon animal quality on the sloped arm. The U has a huge belly out of proportion to the uprights. The S is very fat and blobby. The 2nd T is also stunted to the right arm. The 1 is warped to the left. The 9 is extra fat, especially the tail. The 44 is also broader than usual. The S mint mark looks in relatively decent condition. There is just a lot going on here that makes me pause. These features do not look like a well maintained 1944-S LWC. If circulation flattening caused the broad 1944, then why isn't the mint mark super flattened and broad as well? Why does Trust look so cartoony? How did the TY in Liberty get so distended to the left? What are the little ears peeking up behind W in We? Why does that die mark on the example line up so closely with my little head scratcher?      |
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To me the coin surfaces look almost like they were bead blasted / sandblasted. I think you did a good job with your overlay, but I did one in Photoshop and animated it as a backup using your coin and the detail from Wexler's. It's as close as I can get with these images. Hope it helps!  ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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Thickness seems normal for a heavily circulated coin. And I'm not seeing any of the pointed serifs you should see on a Class VI DDO. In this condition no markers will be visible. That line above the 1 is just a coincidental contact mark. |
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United States
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The dd on this one is the 9. With the full pic of the obv, the spread isn't there. I don't see the arching of the B and E in liberty with most of the 40s dds. As far as markers, there's a lot of acid damage. I'm just not seeing it.
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Canada
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Thanks TAN for the complex assessment.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks Yokozuna, that's exactly what I was looking for. Your overlay is way more precise than what I could accomplish on a tablet. Thanks also to everyone who gave advice! I feel safe concluding that this is not a badly worn DDO coin. Toss it back into the '44 roll. Or perhaps I will save it as an example of circulation flattening on an old LWC, for scale and comparison to other similar coins. Now at least I know that those mutant T's, distorted R, fat belly U, and squishy S can happen via circulation flattening, not just real doubling. The lesson is much appreciated! |
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Posted 07/01/2023 1:53 pm
