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Dearborn Moderator United States 97904 Posts	Posted 07/25/2023 7:44 pm interesting coin, Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 07/25/2023 8:17 pm Here is a genuine NGC Noe-1 example to compare to your coin. It appears that your example is a counterfeit, but I still would like to see better photos of your coin. Report this Post to the Staff
David Florida New Member United States 10 Posts	Posted 07/26/2023 10:07 am Thank you for the reply. I've seen several examples of a Noe 1, that resemble the one you show, which is why I have my doubts as to mine being real. However, I have seen a couple of examples of ones that look like mine, I'll try and post more pics when I get them. And like I already said, I do not have my hopes up for it being a real pine tree shilling. Report this Post to the Staff
Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 07/26/2023 11:57 am Quote: Thank you for the reply. I've seen several examples of a Noe 1, that resemble the one you show, which is why I have my doubts as to mine being real. However, I have seen a couple of examples of ones that look like mine, I'll try and post more pics when I get them. And like I already said, I do not have my hopes up for it being a real pine tree shilling. It looks like the Noe1 went through a progression of Die Deterioration and repairs that make some of the examples appear a little different. The planchets and centered strikes were inconsistent that was typical for the period. Report this Post to the Staff
David Florida New Member United States 10 Posts	Posted 07/26/2023 3:11 pm So you think there's still a slight chance that it could be real? That'd be awesome, but I still have doubts. One thing, I don't like how perfectly round it is, most of these I've seen online have cut marks and are sometimes bent. The "N" at approx. 3:00, next to the 2 in 1652, also looks different, not sure if that would've changed by a die being repaired or not. I've also read about how sometimes different combinations of dies were used, so not sure if would be possible to have a Noe 1 on front and a different die on the back? Thanks, David Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 07/26/2023 4:29 pm I'm pretty doubtful. It's too round and the lettering looks molded and too perfect to be a struck coin. Send it in to one of the grading services and find out. Have a local coin dealer appraise it for insurance before sending it in. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Edited by thq 07/26/2023 4:30 pm Report this Post to the Staff
David Florida New Member United States 10 Posts	Posted 07/27/2023 09:29 am I completely agree with you. Our coin is in way to good of condition to be real. We'll try and find a local guy to look at it before we waste money on having it graded, thanks! Report this Post to the Staff
Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 07/27/2023 5:20 pm The following are items of concern on your coin being genuine: The loop on the 6 connect to the upper stem on your coin. On all genuine N1 the loop does not connect to the upper stem of the 6. The bottom loop in the 5 is off. The N in AN is off as all serif's on the N go to the viewing left on genuine examples and the upper serif on the N in your example goes to the viewing right. I am sure there are other issues but the photos are not clear enough to see details. Report this Post to the Staff
burfle23 Pillar of the Community United States 517 Posts	Posted 07/27/2023 5:35 pm An edge image is important to this discussion IMHO! Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1658 Posts	Posted 07/27/2023 5:41 pm Edge picture and weight will most likely answer your question. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 07/27/2023 5:54 pm Good mystery! Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 07/30/2023 9:31 pm Heritage just sold the Salmon Collection of Massachusetts Silver, many die states. Try to match it... Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 08/01/2023 02:06 am C'mon, now, this is a one-glancer!!!!!! Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 08/03/2023 02:47 am Strongly resembles one of the many cast copies that were popular in the tourist trade in the 1960s-1970s. To my (older) eyes it doesn't even look that close. It's too round, and missing too much detail; and what detail is there is very different. But I am not an expert in these -- not even a novice, truth be told -- and so this analysis is offered fromt an entirely subjective point of view based on appearance and not based on experience! Weight, diameter, edge photos, etc. would be much more conclusive. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 08/03/2023 04:37 am Quote: C'mon, now, this is a one-glancer!!!!!! Agree. It's a replica piece. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
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