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1846 Large Cent Counterstamped By A Gunsmith

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A great many gunsmiths tested their signature work stamps on coins. Large cents, given their size, low denomination and higher mintages, were their most frequently utilized targets.




This 1846 cent was counterstamped by John Valentine Geiger, 1831-1913, of Towanda, PA. Greg Brunk, author of the book on merchant counterstamps, wrote that Geiger's father, John E., opened the first gun shop in Towanda in 1830. Thus, J.V. was born into the family business. He succeeded his father in 1858.

My own research revealed that J.V. served in the Civil War, enlisting in the 13th PA Infantry Regiment, company F. He was a corporal and likely valued as a skilled gunsmith. He was apparently discharged in 1862. He also served in the Towanda fire department, wherein he carried the title of "Boss" Geiger.



Note that the above stamp, as seen on a flintlock rifle barrel, matches that on the 1846 cent.

To my knowledge, there are but four of the J.V. GEIGER c/s's extant. Brunk listed two, and I've found two. As the latest dated host coin is 1854, Geiger likely stamped his coins prior to the Civil War, during the 1850's wild days of coin-stamping. Geiger likely gave his stamped coins out to friends, family and/or customers; this, while carrying one as a pocket-piece.
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Always nice when they're not mavericks.

Now you just need a matching rifle!
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Exoguy, thank you for this interesting C/S information!
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Very interesting, thanks!
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Now you just need a matching rifle!

One sold in 2018 for $750, while a J. V. Geiger c/s 8 reales sold for $500 in 2021.
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most frequently utilized targets.


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Thanks for the fine feedback, guys!

Sure wish I could afford matching "gun-alongs" for the dozens of gunsmith pieces I've amassed. On the plus side, I've been able to afford over a hundred silver spoons with hallmarks that match c/s's on coins in my collection. Someday, my wife will have one heck of a yard sale, methinks.

@Spence .... I'm glad someone spotted that shot I took!

@Hondo Boguss .... Sadly, I didn't spot the 2021 sale piece, If I had, it would have sold north of $600 or $700. I love U.S. c/s's on world coins; especially so, the dollar-sized pieces. I'll now have to amend my database to 5 known Geiger c/s's.
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ExoGuy, here is the Heritage auction for the J. V. Geiger c/s 8 reales:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/countersta...3162-44190.s
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Very interesting subject. Thanks for the information.
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Very nice and good information.
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
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@HondoBoguss .... Thanks for the auction link! I got very ill and was hospitalized during that time. Also, my wife was in a serious car wreck when another driver ran a red light and T-boned our vehicle. We've both recovered. As such, I missed the latter part of this auction.

I will save the prices realized in my database; this, as reference for comparable c/s's in my collection. IMHO, there were some bargain prices in that Partrick auction, while other prices were phenomenal, fetching four figures. There's some intriguing fodder here for future CCF postings on my part. One thing I noted was that a number of these Partrick c/s's were quickly being peddled by dealers who purchased them - a sign of the times.
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An excellent coin Exo.
I am glad you are both OK from your illness and the car accident.

My wife just got in a car accident.
She is fine thank God however, her car might be a total.
Ironically, we leave Monday to pick a truck up I just bought in Washington State.
Fingers crossed we get home OK while driving it back down.
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An excellent coin Exo.


It's actually the c/s history that makes this coin more worthy to own. I want to encourage other collectors to venture into this genre; this, as I'm growin' older by the day. There are countless c/s's out there, awaiting attribution. The Brunk books are costly, but there is an online draft of Greg's last copy at:
https://archive.org/details/2006mer...145/mode/1up

Granted that there are some errors in various listings, the Brunk and Rulau books are great references for collectors of c/s's. These errors were the fault of wishful thinking by some contributors who failed to exercise due diligence in their research. Some contributors got feisty with him when he was reluctant to accept their shaky attributions.

@Vermontensium .... Thanks, as always for the kindly reply. I've long enjoyed reading your insights. Ironically, my wife was T-boned a second time, almost a year tp the day, by another woman running a red light! My Mom used to say that things often happen in threes, so I now say a prayer whenever I'm riding with her. Good to hear that your wife's okay. Safe travels, my friend!
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A great piece of U.S. history.
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