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  Asking for a second opinion on this 1799 Draped Bust Dollar coin being listed on ebay.
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Looks genuine to me, but probably a details coin. Appears to be BB-163.
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Navincitron,  John1 
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No returns? Thanks anyway.
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The coin appears to be a underpriced counterfeit. My guess the seller knows it is a counterfeit and wants to move the coin. The denticles and rim are off on the obverse as it looks similar to coins struck in a ring. The hair curls below the ribbon are off. The stars on the obverse look off. There are a lot of details that do match between the BB163 and the OP example, but the wear pattern on the OP example does not look natural. Below is a BB163 to compare to the OP example. Genuine BB 163  OP Example  Genuine BB 163  OP Example 
Edited by Slider23 06/17/2024 11:39 am
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I believe this dollar to be counterfeit. It does appear to match the BB-163 which is probably the most common variety for 1799 of which counterfeits are known. With the pictures provided, I cannot identify any of the common counterfeit markers, but the look of the whole coin is... off. It does not look like any wear pattern I've seen on any BB-163s before. For instance, the wear on the obverse is very non-uniform, and the obverse stars are too soft. On the reverse, the eagle's head is also way too soft. It is true that BB-163 tends to have a weak eagle head, but the top ridge of the eagle's head is much more pronounced on all but the lower-grade examples. Overall, it seems it was made from a die transfer that did not duplicate the finer details, and the resulting counterfeit was artificially worn and damaged to try to hide that fact.
The edge is also a major red flag. It's too round and neat; edges on genuine circulated examples almost never look like that.
Finally, there's the price, as already mentioned. A genuine example, even with a details designation, would sell for much more than $350 (probably around $1,200).
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The sharpness of the edge lettering on such a worn coin is a red flag to me. Agree that it's suspect.
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@nav, first welcome to CCF.
Second, I hope that you are seeing that CCF is a much better place to post questions like this compared to reddit.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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The fakest of the fake.
Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves.
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Oh yes -  to the CCF!
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Well, somebody bought a counterfeit. What others have said above and then add in the sellers description.
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Thank you everyone for your input. The deciding factor for me had been the coin was 3mm short of the 39mm-40mm expected diameter. Anyhow, the coin had been already sold a little while after I was given the edge photos and before I've received the diameter photo. 
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