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WDDR-001 thru WDDR-101. I was given a large jar of mostly Lincoln cents to search for a friend. There were 200+ Cents from about 2004 to 2011, and I found myself searching 2009 cents and was overwhelmed at Wexler DDR's listings. Is this simply the new norm for modern coins to have SO many Doubled Die Listings? It actually makes me think twice about even searching modern coins for errors/varieties. Thoughts on this anyone? *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by Tacc
01/02/2025 10:56 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I guess 2009 was a good year for Doubled Dies.
Errers and Varietys.
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That's just page one, try page two.
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And just what is a modern Doubled Die.
Traditionally when making a die they press the hub into the die to be made once, anneal the die and then press the hub into the die a second time. If there is a misalignment during the second pressing a doubled die is produced.
From what I read today they use a single squeeze method. The hub and die to be are only smooshed together once.
The annealing process was done in the past because the die would become brittle due to work hardening. By leaving out the annealing process is the now brittle die just chipping under stress during manufacture and lonely coin collectors are calling it doubling?
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That's kinda of the way I am veiwing this J-Tal, are all these listed Doubled Dies really accurate?
Modern coin minting is just weak I guess.
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Quote: I found myself searching 2009 nickels and was overwhelmed at Wexler DDR's listings. Strange - wonder why Variety Vista doesn't have any listing for 2009 DDR or DDO Nickels. |
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Do you mean cents? There's zero 2009 nickel doubled dies listed in the Wexler files. There's 101 2009 cent doubled dies only for the Formative Years reverse, there's a ton more the the other designs. It's been like this since the single-squeeze hubbing method started being used in the late 1990s. There's hundreds of extremely minor doubled dies every single year. It can be overwhelming, but you're free to pick and chose which ones you think are worthwhile to search for. Quote:
By leaving out the annealing process is the now brittle die just chipping under stress during manufacture and lonely coin collectors are calling it doubling? This is not at all what is happening. I do not believe there are many wrongly listed doubled dies in the files. Edited by Tanman2001
01/02/2025 5:49 pm
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Below is an excerpt from Wexler and also the link, if you would like to read everything. There has been some very nice single squeeze doubled dies (typically class 4 or 8 or both) but a LOT of what I consider, not worthwhile doubled dies, which are usually class 9 doubled dies. I do not even look for some of the more elusive doubled dies anymore. Doubled columns are one of the few I still collect and only because I know someone that is doing a study on them and I send them to him, I do not try to even attribute them unless they are very unusual. LINK https://doubleddie.com/58222.html  -makecents-
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Also - how many dies do you think it takes to make 39,840,000 coins, if you make 100k to 250k coins per die?
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I did mean One Cents sorry. Hit one up the third base line, not outa the park but...
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01/02/2025 7:51 pm
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I wasn't exactly clear on the Single Squeeze method of the minting process, the included reference material
is much appreciated!! I have been searching 50's, 60's & 70's cents for so long and just recently started looking
into the modern coins DD's. The difference is very noticeable. Thanks for the info guys!
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It actually makes me think twice about even searching modern coins for errors/varieties.
Thoughts on this anyone? IMO the people looking for them mainly do it to get a new listing or they just enjoy the hunt/fun. Because people soon realize very few doubled dies, compared to how many are known, bring a nice premium in the coin collecting community. |
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Some wonderful information here - good read @Makecents, and it makes sense too. I'm just wondering if "smooshed" is a technical term ..  |
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I did mean One Cents sorry. Hit one up the third base line, not outa the park but... @Tacc: is this entire topic about cents, or is part about nickels too. If this is all about cent coins, we can fix the title and first statement in your opening post. |
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I'm just wondering if "smooshed" is a technical term .. I like it when the Big Dawgs use that kind of term, makes me feel better about my thought process.  Sometimes, those terms explain it much better than a super fancy word too. -makecents-
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If this is all about cent coins, we can fix the title and first statement in your opening post. Yes that is my interpretation. Title fixed.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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