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I've Been Toying With This Coin For A While: 1877-CC Quarter Partial Obverse Brockage

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Hello Everyone! I bought this coin as soon as I saw it, and put it away. Recently, I "rediscovered" it, and sent the pics that you see here, to (a very well-known Coin Company). I'm curious to see what everyone here thinks of it; I'll post the reply from the VWKCC when you're all done. The only thing that I'll add, because it can't be seen in the pics, is that the two lowest incuse stars (just a hint of them on top) are seen under the edge reeding...
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 Posted 01/25/2025  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me, that "squished" metal is indicative of mechanical damage rather than a mint error.
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Ouch..., should be returned in a "as they call it" bodybag. People correct me if I'm wrong, I've have yet to send any coin for grading.
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 Posted 01/25/2025  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking PMD as well.
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 Posted 01/25/2025  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JTCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur, damaged.
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 Posted 01/26/2025  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm in the PSD camp.
IMHO, the left rim on both sides is flattened which indicates it happened outside the striking process.
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 Posted 01/26/2025  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimbo48 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a clash with the denticles of another coin. The indents are the reverse impression you would get if the obverse die was clashed sideways with the reverse. This is just a guess to explain the indents I see. In no
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I just noticed the indent of two stars near the diagonal indent. This would support a sideways clash with another obverse.
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Here's the eMail that I received from (the coin company):

"That definitely appears to be a legitimate error since the reeding in the left obverse field is raised and goes over the stars. Unfortunately, I can't quite figure out how it occurred. I consulted with a leading error coin expert, and he agrees with me that it looks legit, but he also wasn't sure how it happened. I would suggest your client submits the coin to NGC under their error coin tier of service."
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JImbo48: those two stars are seen under the reeding of the 2nd strike
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 Posted 01/26/2025  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this little gap here, which is in the center of that flat spot on the reverse rim, is where the edge of Brockage-making Quarter met the Reeding Collar. The reeds are expanded in that area.
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Fwiw: my first glance at the obverse told me that a hammer couldn't possibly have done what you see there. The coin had to be at a slant when it was struck (spinning?), and it was struck in a very hard manner
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It looks like a negative impression from a vise job.
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 Posted 01/27/2025  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
macmurcurie: maybe, but you cannot duplicate what you see with a vise. The coin would have be in movement, and you wouldn't receive a partial imprint-no leverage. There is no outer edge impact on my coin (it's still in collar); a vise job would ruin the edge
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The rim at the T of UNITED looks out of round.
If so, this happened after the coin was struck since the collar would have contained the metal.

Did the person who said it looks like a legitimate error look at it in hand.
EDIT: The secondary denticles and stars are incuse, not raised.
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