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Perry Hoard - Salt Lake City

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 Posted 05/05/2026  7:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Odee13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Question post -

A guy here in Utah has 25,000 UNC Morgan's(all mints/years) that his dad bought in 63/64, when his father worked in DC. He has them all in 1000 coin lots. He is willing to sell up to 1000 at a time, if you want to purchase you have to sign sales agreements with whatever clauses he has in there.

I know this because him and I have been texting. You can find a few articles online about the hoard.

My question is: if he were to dump all the coins he has would that significantly affect the Morgan market? I know it depends on how many of each coin is dumped. But for example he told me he has 1000 1888 s Morgan's unc. He claims 2 of the highest sold 88s came from his bags. Not sure if he is legit or just saying whatever he wants.

It makes me think how many hordes are still out there like his

. Below is screen shot of part of one of his posts.



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 Posted 05/05/2026  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If true that's amazing to have 25K Morgans. That's an inheritance anybody would like! About 657 million Morgans were made, millions were melted through the years. There's no way to know how many remain but I've seen estimates of 50 to 100 million or more are still around. I don't think a dump of his Morgans would change the market much. What's important is to look for the scarce, key dates which are more valuable like the 1893 S or mint errors. It would be wise to learn about this or find someone that can go through them, not just take them to a dealer as a lot.

Morgan dollar errors and varieties are called VAMs, collectors will pay high amounts for some of them. You can check this out on Vamworld.

Many of the Morgans were sold by the Treasury and from bank vaults in the 1960s-1970s. Private owners kept bags of them. The grading companies have recognized some of these with labels such as the Binion Vegas Casino hoard, Olathe Kansas Bank Hoard etc. Sending some in for grading with their own label is something to consider. I'm not aware of any recent original bags of Morgans or huge bulk lots being sold but there's likely some still out there. There's probably an online site with a list of Morgan hoards or at least stories about them like the Binion hoard.

Here is pic of bags of Morgan dollars in a Treasury vault in the 1910s, colorized.

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Wow! That's an amazing picture Livingwater.........
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Thanks living, appreciate the note. From his messages I don't think he is too knowledgeable about Morgan's but who knows. He says has sold over $100k in sets since January. He starts his books at $24k and they go up from there. 48 coins a book. Anyway thought it was pretty wild.
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Interesting to think that additional Morgan hoards still exist - but I'm not terribly surprised.

I also don't think that an additional 25,000 Morgans is going to impact the market unless they are true key dates such as 1893-S, 1889-CC, etc

With due respect to @livingwater I feel compelled to correct the record on a statement made:


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Morgan dollar errors and varieties are called VAMs, collectors will pay high amounts for some of them.


This is a misleading statement. Morgan dollar VAM designations have nothing to do with errors.

VAM's are in fact a classification system of certain Morgan (and Peace) dollars by obverse and reverse die marriage with an emphasis on certain unique die characteristics (variety markers).

The only difference between a VAM Morgan and any other Morgan dollar is that a VAM die variety is unique and has been identified, numbered and cataloged.
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I'm always skeptical of these sales.
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nickelsearcher, maybe I should not have said mint errors. However some mint errors have been given VAM numbers such as doubled dies. I have several.including my 1888 O "hot lips" VAM-4. The doubling is a die variety as are other mint errors like overstruck mint marks and overdates as I understand it. Other mint errors such as off center, double struck are mechanical striking errors and are not assigned VAM numbers. Maybe it depends how people define what is a "mint error." If someone else can explain better please do, thanks.

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On the surface, appears to be an interesting story. Only speaking for myself--I don't have a rosy warm feeling about this. Again, just me... Wonder what a respected/established/authoritative numismatic publication would make of this.
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The Mountain West and Great Basin have an abundance of coin hoarders. I've seen this in estate sales over the years. There are a lot of explanations for why this region has so many of the hoarders, but they are out there (in more ways than one). Redfield lived in Reno and Samaszko in Carson City. In the 1960s and early 1970s, bags of 1938-D Buffs could be purchased in many coin shows. Those disappeared overnight with increased popularity and value of the D/D and D/S coins. An estate I purchased three years ago had two mint bags of 1958-D cents, and that's not an uncommon or particularly valuable discovery. Bags of 1964-D Kennedy halves show up from time to time. The basement bathtub half filled with steel cents was interesting. And more than one old rancher out here has a bag or two of standard silver dollars hidden away "just in case" and nobody knows what in case means. I feel bad for the future grandkids in this area who will be inheriting endless and useless bags of bronze Memorial cents. I don't know what other parts of the country experience, but it seems to be more of a thing out here.
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