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Time Travelers: How Would You Get Your Money?

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I have a difficult question for you all.
If you were to travel back in time, how would you go about getting money? Would you buy bullion now and sell it back then? You would lose a lot on the price. Would you buy old currency today and spend them back then?

It is a question that I need help solving. You see, as soon as this question gets answered, I am going to buy a flux capacitor and Mr. Fusion for my dodge neon.
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I think that bullion would be the better answer cause people probably notice that our money now have a future date on it. I don't think it would necessarily be a loss though due to the fact a lot of turn of the century notes go for about 100 dollars in heavily circulated condition, and if you could get some ms 65+ notes you could easily make money off the bullion. Not to mention the nationals you could find that don't even exist anymore. You could go back with a list to look for and hopefully find a couple .
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If you're going back to certain times you might try other metals as bullion. For example, aluminum used to be quite valuable. And before the silver strikes in the western US, silver was a higher percentage value of gold.
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If going back in time, I would get a bunch of artificially created gemstones. That and aluminum.
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Simple answer: scan old notes, print them, and pass them off. The technology we have today would have been mind-boggling to people back then and the copies made in such a way would easily fool them, because they would simply be that good.

Just don't get caught, though, because penalties back then were much more severe than currently in effect.

I can recall two instances of a time traveller taking care of the money issue.

In Richard Matheson's Bid Time Return, the main character actually buys old money from a coin dealer, an 1886 'Tombstone' 10-dollar bill picturing Thomas A. Hendricks.

In an first season episode of The Twilight Zone entitled "Walking Distance", the main character walks down a road to his old hometown, and finds himself back in time to when he was a child. At one point, he comes face to face with his father who notes that the bills in his wallet "haven't been printed yet".

An alternate reality is found by the main character in Jack Finney's novella, The Woodrow Wilson Dime.

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I would get a bunch of artificially created gemstones. That and aluminum.

my exact thoughts--without seriously considering the ethical implications.
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Would you buy bullion now and sell it back then? You would lose a lot on the price.

Don't forget to adjust for inflation, or in this case deflation.

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Inflation Calculator: (1850-2008 conversion) "What cost $1 in 1850 would cost $25.58 in 2008.

Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2008 and 1850,
they would cost you $1 and $0.04 respectively."

In other words, one U.S. Dollar in 1850 had the purchasing power of
$25.58 of 2008 U.S. Dollars.

You would still lose value on gold bullion. $20.47/oz. (1850) times
$25.58 yields a 2008 Dollar value of $523.62/oz., and Gold spot price
today is $1123.60 (meaning that Gold is double its 1850 value, or in
1850 Gold was half its 2008 value, even after adjusting for
Dollar inflation!)

Silver, you're better off. 89¢/oz. (1850) becomes $22.77/oz. in 2008
Dollars, and today's spot silver is $17.62, only 77% of the 1850 value,
after adjusting for inflation.

I don't know what aluminum went for in 1850, but it was obviously a
multiple factor of the 2008 value (after inflation adjustment), and
if your time machine has a 'mass limit', aluminum is a lot lighter
than gold or silver.

Obviously we could make counterfeit notes today that would have
'passed' back then, but if we're talking the late 1800's and early
1900's, you could buy circulated Gold Certificates from that period
that cost much less in today's Dollars than the bullion value of the
coins that you could exchange them for at the time.

Buy something like a common circulated $20 Gold Certificate for $200
today, then when you're back in its time period, you'd have $500+ in
equivalent to 2008 Dollar purchasing power. Even better, cash them in
at the bank for Double Eagles, then bring them back and each one has
over $1000 of current bullion value (and you might even get a key
date or semi-key back then, if you were lucky!)
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If neither ethics nor the possibility of leaving behind anachronisms bothers you, then I'd recommend using modern duplication technology (colour photocopiers, laser printers, etc) to make fake old notes that would be good enough to fool everyone back then. If you're going back to a time before banknotes were invented, you'd have to make do with the bullion-and-gemstones idea.

Either that, go back even further in time, steal some trinkets and junk, and bring them forward to your destination and try to sell them to a museum, antique dealer or curiosity shoppe.

Do a forum search for "time travel" (exact phrase) with the archive box checked and you'll discover that people in the past right here on the forum were pondering this issue as well.
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Before I left, I would go into my collection today, pull out all of my money from that time period. That would be my seed money. Then I would go on to the internet and start looking up historical scores of sporting events, stock prices, and coin prices. I would go back and use my information to make some money. I would then invest most of it in stocks. Before I came home, I'd take the last of my money to the bank and find some nice examples to replace my collection when I got home. (Not that I've thought this ridicules idea through though).
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... I am going to buy a flux capacitor and Mr. Fusion for my dodge neon.


I thought that only worked with a DeLorean?
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I would not take anything valuable or perceived as valuable with me. I'd simply go back to the California gold fields (1846), and get all the nuggets out of the streams and rivers I can find. Before the miners arrive :-)
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I'd look up my parents, smack them upside the head and tell them to turn in all their circulated silver certificates for Morgans and Peace dollars! (I would much rather have 400 of them)
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you should talk to Dr. Emmett brown! He had a briefcase full of money in the 2nd one for different years
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Buying period lower-grade Gold Certificates in the present, taking
them back to the late 1800's or early 1900's, cashing them in for
Gold coins, and returning to the present time with the coins,
quintuples your money (or more, if you get keys/semi-keys!) without
any 'ethics problem' or leaving behind 'anachronisms'. You would
simply be returning those (genuine) notes to their contemporary period!

There would be a paradox in which all of the notes that exist today
existed back then also, so every note you spend back then would
duplicate the serial number of a note existing back then.

Then again, the odds of the notes 'meeting' would be very low, and
the events of 1933 would likely insure the destruction of the 'duplicates'....




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Ah, as long as ethics are out the window, howse 'bout we just go back and zap some well-heeled drunk with our paralysis ray? Or a whole poker game!?
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I know I am late on this one .. but just started reading this section ..

I would say buy $20 dollar gold and say go back to 1909 San Fransisco buy 40 rolls of uncirculated 1909 S vdb'S or maybe go to Denver 1916 buy 4 rolls of 1916 D dimes.

But to really make it easier .. take 1970 error money go back to 1971 and buy stock in Berkshire hathaway(BRKA) and Walmart(WMT) .. stop in 1975 and pick up some Microsoft (MSFT) then to 1990 buy a little Cisco system (CSCO) with just a few hundred invested in each of these companies you would be a very very rich person. And could buy all the coin and currency you desire.
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