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1998 LMC - Severe Die Gouges ?

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Are these excessive die polishing lines/gouges or something else. Either way, I've never seen any this severe.
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 Posted 04/27/2010  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that's impressive!

Doesn't look like polishing. Looks a little more like gouges, but what would have gouged like that? I wonder if they could be really exagerrated die trails?
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 Posted 04/28/2010  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that is Feeder Finger Damage
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 Posted 04/28/2010  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you explain Feeder Finger Damage a little better bio? Would this be damage done to the die itself? And in essence, wouldn't they indeed be gouges? Why would only the fields be affected?
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Feeder fingers come by and sweep the coin off the die. They can be damaged, and can damage the dies. The marks they would leave behind on a die would be considered die gouges, and the reason the fields would be all that's affected is because the fields are the highest point of the die.

Take something you can make a nice impression into - clay, play-dough, silly putty, flour - and press a cent into it and carefully peel the cent off the surface. Look at the surface. This is a die.
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 Posted 04/28/2010  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen photos of feeder fingers and the gouge marks on the coins never look like the shape of the feeder fingers,why?
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The damage is caused by the die being brushed over and over each time is ejected from the dies. Not always pretty when looking at the coins.

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So these are basically just die gouges then, correct ?
They do look raised to me from the pics.
Looking at one of coops pics. it seems to be incused.
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I need to give a little more thought before posting and I would have realized the devices on the die are incuse and therefore protected from the feeder fingers. Thanks!
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 Posted 04/28/2010  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So from a technical standpoint how does this differ from die trail coins?
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Trails are made at the time the die was hubbed. With the die gouges/feeder finger damage to the die, it is made after many coins were normal. On the last two of my images they are incuse but only affecting the fields. Which leads me to think it was an accumulation on the die that made the devices incuse. On the last image, I found two in one roll. Exactly alike as well as other examples with no markings. So the normal ones were before the die damaged ones, or they may have polished them off as it only affected the fields, the outside edge of the die.
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 Posted 04/29/2010  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you sir
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