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Hey guys, I'm looking to purchase a nice 1859 cent for my birthday. I'm looking on ebay and came across this one. I just wanted your opinions as to whether there is anything majorly wrong with it, or if it looks pretty clean and problem free and what grade you would assign it. Thanks.

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 Posted 10/07/2010  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a nice looking coin that IMO has been cleaned at some point. There is some minor rim dings, that I would grade at EF-40.
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XF, cleaned, rim damage
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EF details, reverse ding at 12 o'clock and minor ding on OBV by ear. Hard to tell if cleaned because there is so much glare from the flash or overhead light. To me the 12 O'clock ding on the reverse is not that distracting, it's out of the way so to speak. I'd pay VF money on this.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I've bought from this seller, he tends to be....enthusiastic in his lighting and descriptions. This one's overpriced.
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That's a lot for the advice and grades, I appreciate it.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a heck of a nice present! Happy Birthday! I don't know what the price is but if it was $35 or $40, I might consider it. That booger under her nose would bother me since we all think it might be cleaned, I would try to work on that area with BadThads verdi-care and see if it can't go away some.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just went and found it. I am tight on buying but this one is way too much. and grades XF40 details.
It's your birthday, be nicer to yourself than this.
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Yea, I'm going to skip on this one. I want a nice clean example, even if it's VF. I have $100 to spend and want to buy the right coin.
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I have $100 to spend and want to buy the right coin.


Yeah that's right, try to get every bit of your $200.00 bucks worth out of it!

I didn't mean to talk you outta it, but I think we all concurred, it was way overpriced.
Might I suggest you find a coin that absolutely screams at you. It will every time you look at it being a special coin you bought for yourself. There's nothing wrong with a belated present either.
Be patient and it will show up.
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I didn't mean to talk you outta it, but I think we all concurred, it was way overpriced.
Might I suggest you find a coin that absolutely screams at you. It will every time you look at it being a special coin you bought for yourself. There's nothing wrong with a belated present either.
Be patient and it will show up.


Not at all. I'm glad you guys brought up the flaws, especially the cleaned aspect. I'm looking for a goods, solid specimen and this just wasn't it. And I will definitely wait until I find the right coin, that's one thing that makes this hobby much more fun.
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I don't know what the price is but if it was $35 or $40, I might consider it.

Even with the issues. Then again, I know how many dealers price 1859s, and they often expect high prices for badly cleaned coins. Last time I bought one, it took a long time to find a nice VF25--for $36. Problem-free XFs are tough to find unslabbed/top dollar.
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The 1859 Indian was a tough one to find a nice example for my 7070. I finally got a great deal on a three coin lot where I was able to get both the 1859 and an 1863 at the same time for a good price. I probably spent 4 months looking though, so patience may be a virtue here.

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Does this 1859 look cleaned to you guys? (I find determining this fairly difficult, at least for some coins)I see the rim ding, but that doesn't bother me much. Thanks
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Hmmm...notice how the coloration on the coin is different inside the date, legends, and recesses around the feather tips?
To my eyes, that may be evidence of cleaning, partial at least. When old dirt is removed, the underlying metal often has a different color. With evidence of cleaning and that rim ding, I wouldn't count on this coin getting a TPG grade.

This coin is also a good example of how the harder CuNi planchets wore out the dies. An 1859 will be tough to buy from pics alone--good luck!
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[quote]An 1859 will be tough to buy from pics alone--good luck!{/quote]

That's what I'm beginning to find out. I appreciate the replies though. I need to start finding some coin stores around my area.
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