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How Many Lincoln Collectors Consider The '22 No D A Key?

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I know this has been discussed before, but I need some convincing.

I understand demand drives price and it is a coin in high demand. I get it.

But, I hear this being referred to as a key and I'm not getting that. Am I missing something?

If the mintmark was left off altogether, maybe. But, even then, it would just be a variety. Which would make the '55 DDO a key? What about a '69-S DDO?

Unless someone can convince me otherwise, to me it is just another over-abraded die. Otherwise, how could I possibly ever complete my collection?

I think "the series" should only contain the coins that were meant to be. Everything else is in addition to and considered bonus.

What do you think?
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I completely agree. I draw the line precisely where you do: intended date/mm/design varieties. (Otherwise it's an endless -- not to mention expensive -- job finishing the set.)

Having said that, I do look (usually in vain) for these kinds of unintentional varieties and would be ecstatic to find a tough one. But the key word is "find". I probably won't ever buy one.

PS: I admit it's a bit dicey to define "intended".
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Scooby, I think you are correct in that the series should not need unintentional varieties to be complete.Otherwise,we would need all double dies and rpm's as well.Anything that was not intentional is a different collection.
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I've mentioned that many times. It is just a coin made from an over polished die. Same for the 1937-D three legged nickel, missing initials (polishing them off). Leaving a space in a coin book for something that isn't worth the money spent for them, just to fill an album. Leave the spaces out of the albums and see how interest in them would wane.
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with coop and the others. The dealer's in these "have to have" varieties might give you an argument.
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I see it as a key variety.
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I think that they're cool to have with a collection, but collecting all the coins in a set can already be hard enough. I guess that depends on how much money you have to invest into coins, but I don't have a ton. I'll certainly stick finishing the coins that were intended to be there.

I think the only I'd get a DD or other mint error would be if I knew I could make a quick profit. There are plenty of key dates that cost a fortune already and are just as cool to own.
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I agree with you 100%. It's hard enough to complete a set without including coins that - as you say - weren't really meant to be. I curse the people at Dansco for putting the 22 "no D" in their albums (well - not really curse, but it's irritating). I don't see ever filling that slot just because Dansco says it's a slot. I am trying to build a Date/Mintmark set and that coin was not minted in Philly!
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I see as something that, if you wanted the ULTIMATE collection with EVERYTHING (Doubled Dies, Repunched Dates, all other Errors), it would be considered a key, since it costs so much due to lots of people wanting one.
I'm trying to put together a collection like that (which will probably never happen), so I see it as a key, in some aspects.
I guess it just depends on what collection you want to have and what you want in it.
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Since I have plenty of time left to collect, I can see one day moving on to DD's and other errors. I think it will be some time away because there are lots of sets I want to collect (just because the coins are pretty cool) and there are so many regular coins for me to buy first!

I think the saying goes "to each his own"
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I don't see the 1922 no D as a key. If the coin was a regular issue from the Philadelphia mint, then it should be included, but it was an error from the Denver mint. I would love to own one someday, but I wouldn't consider it a key to the series. It reminds me of the 1982 no P Roosevelt. That coin is the one of the more expensive Roosevelt dimes, but it is not considered part of the series.
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There are lots of coins that have been over abraded, but just a couple were extremely over-hyped. If I ever come across one I would feel a little guilty as I was selling it, but hey if someone has the money and it has to be part of their collection, so it be. I know better.
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While I do enjoy these, I think they are over-hyped and they should NOT be listed in albums/folders. I own one with weak reverse for only one reason....it was given to me by my grandfather. I consider my Lincoln collection complete WITHOUT it.....just like the 55 DDO. There's a lot of other Lincolns I'd much rather have than the 22 plain, so I've always spent my money elsewhere. When it comes down to it, it's just an over-polished die, nothing more, not an error or variety. For the money, I'd MUCH rather have a really nice 14-D any day of the week and a few bucks left over to buy another coin!
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that's not on the 1922 plain bandwagon. I refuse to shell out good money for it and I hated having the empty hole in my Dansco album so I filled it with a blank planchet, that's as "Plain" as it gets!
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I haven't read all the other comments, but do have this to say...apologize if I'm repeating what others said.

The 1922 "no D" isn't even a variety - it's a very minor error, if even that. Their ENTIRE value is based on a misunderstanding that "some" cents were minted in Philly and were rare. That misconception stayed for many years and people bought the coins at a premium. Now we KNOW that isn't true, yet people STILL buy the coins at a premium. I think it's simply ludicrous. I don't even consider these coins a part of a Lincoln Cent set WITH varieties...because it's not one.
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I don't have my Dansco with me, but let me ask this. What do you guys put in place of the 1922 plain? I HATE!! having open spots :). I think I'll put a Merc dime in there or something, but I have yet to decide.
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