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While my original post is about grading and they whys and what for's...
It's not about any year....Its about how to grade and why a grade is given....I and many of you have many books on the grading, such as photo grade and such....they are poor examples and descriptions don't help you any.. AND NOTICE there are no MS photo's in there black and white examples...HUMMM....
SO I want to start a new thread for the purpose of grading, "NOT FOR" grade my coin,, you can do that else where here...but examples of raw or already graded coins so we may look into the art of grading..even as subjective as the thought is....This post will be not only of my coins but of yours, and as such you may post them as another post has been determined...If 2 should overlap that's ok, as long as it doesn't turn out to be flogged with multiple grade my coins...there is another thread for that....Mike give us the first coin please.......
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Are you going to discuss the difference between in hand coins and online photos? The difference between photos and scans? The effects that lighting might play in the appearance of the online image? Mike doesn't seem to be around right now, so let me insert one of Russ' beauties just to get the ball rolling:   |
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Thanks Zee, this is not just MY THREAD..but ours.
I just want it to be about this SPECIFIC subject...and to keep on tract...let6 the games begin
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You bring up valued info...Zee..lighting and online photo's..Which many an online seller. Either is not in TRUE focus, or OVER BLURRED with the lighting. so you can not see all the chatter marks the coin has. and represents them as CBU.. an old time grading anology...of a high end coin...That's the sort of thing we want to let all know...of online auctions...TRUE...online auctions have WELL represented examples in very high resolutions, that you can see everything, the grade and the VAM... |
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I think this coin is AU-58 or AU-55. Light wear appears evident on Liberty's hair, cap, and cheek. Portions of the luster are not original and the luster seems to break all across the hairline and upper face suggesting wear. On the reverse, wear seems to extend from the right wingtips down through the breast to the left leg and, similarly, from the left wingtips down through the breast to the right leg. Left talon also seems worn. Toning suggests a more heavily tarnished surface that was dipped with mixed results.
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This is surely a slider coin, my thinking is, I always look for the reverse, instead of the OBV, even though its discounted...for the grade.
with the REV and the natural toning...not AT.. definte MS reverse features, but....MS 62....there is very few marks on the face, but one, small ding... overall, MS 62...
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Same coin, but I'd pay more for the second picture.   |
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Looks a bit more MS in the luster picture but that obverse hair is just too problematic. Perhaps it is just an illusion due to the toning but the weakness looks rounded, not shelflike, and is irregular. I think what happened here is the coin was an obvious tarnished AU piece that has been over dipped and retoned. Hence, the dull gray wear points on the hair don't look much different from the dull gray luster on other surfaces.
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Wow, I had it at 55 until you turned the coin. Quite a difference. But, then it's always the case with pictures. This is not a coin that I would be drawn to because of the tarnish and toning. Re-toning a coin can hide a lot of problems. I think I'm going to like this thread! Challenging!
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This coin I have given my opinion on in another thread, copied below,
" Russ,
I am NOT giving this opinion and feeling all that good about your coin for no reason, I am giving my opinion as others have, I do like the colors, I love a NATURALLY well toned coin. I do not think it would be graded at a 63, with the obverse hair over the ear and the remaining spots on Anna's head that show wear,over the date etc ( hair rub or wear). The cap inclusive, WEAR SIGNS, The rest of the Obverse is crisp and I believe the coin WAS cleaned, I say this from experience and seeing a coin, where it could of been cleaned, in the larger areas is NOT all toned,yet another color all together. The areas that are too small to of cleaned,( not cleaned at all), show ALL the toning, IMO, This is an indication of a cleaned coins forensic footprints. The mark or slash on her face is also a distracting sight.
The reverse, also the cleaning remnants are the same as the Obverse, again, notice the areas that could be cleaned, are NOT toned, OR have another color and the areas that are too small to get to are the toned areas, these spots are the original finish of the coin, the one's which are toned, also by cleaned I mean some one took a cleaning cloth or W/E and attempted to clean the coin, NOT dipped. I see a rim ding, some wreath wear on the leaves, also the wing tip areas show signs of wear, being the relief, being one of the highest spots on the reverse.
I would IMO grade your coin a ms-61+ "details", Russ, I hope you do not take this the wrong way, I am just calling it the way my 47+ years of collecting and knowledge of this series would suggest it really is.......I do like the reverse over the obverse, seems like a very nicely struck coin, and the reverse has held up better, IMO....
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This is an over discussed topic IMO, I like to see others post their opinions and discuss the how and why's once posted........
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How about a new coin then.... Grade and AT or NT. ( Not my coin by the way).   |
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I believe this is a proof. I would grade it MS 64 and it is natural toned. Designed by Christian Gobrecht. |
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I will say, I do NOT know this Gobrecht dollar series enough to give a grade, but the coin is VERY sweet, Museum quality coin, if real a superior piece. Is it an original struck coin, or a "restrike"? I love the toning which appears like NT, I like the reverse strike better than the obverse, the Eagles appearance is out standing, which is why I asked about the restrike, thanks for sharing. A person who grades Morgans/Peace dollars etc is NOT going to be ALL that with most other coins, unless they are very familiar with the type coin, IMO.....PS, If this coin is real, it is worth a small chunck of mega dollars, Being you stated the coin is NOT yours, I wonder............. |
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Ooops. Proof coins are PF, not MS...So I grade this PF 64.
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Wow now that is a remarkable coin only 300 struck all proof first silver dollar struck since 1803 (not including the famous 1804). Exceedingly scarce in high grades I think the PCGS Registry coins are PF-63.
I would give this one a PF-62 based on the obverse strike and some of that chatter in the upper left quadrant. Super awesome coin!
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Posted 01/06/2011 12:29 am
For Coco Puffs...WOW
