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Any News On 25th Anniversary ASE Set?

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 Posted 11/20/2011  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a LOT more 70 sets for sale than 69 sets....percentages on THIS issue is skewed towards 70's.

According to John Maben from Modern Coin Mart this is why the price of 69 sets have been holding steady. Price of 70 graded sets is moving down.

Quality must have been "Job One" for this set....
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 Posted 11/20/2011  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wif99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are a LOT more 70 sets for sale than 69 sets....percentages on THIS issue is skewed towards 70's.


That could be because of coins like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-W-25th...em1e6890c76e
I Don't believe PR70DCAM are supposed to have a scratch especially in the area of this 1
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 Posted 11/20/2011  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That could be because of coins like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-W-25th...em1e6890c76e
I Don't believe PR70DCAM are supposed to have a scratch especially in the area of this 1


Nice find..
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 Posted 11/20/2011  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wif99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are a LOT more 70 sets for sale than 69 sets....percentages on THIS issue is skewed towards 70's.


I was Just looking at the Population report for PCGS and 70's seem to be running 2 to 1 compared to 69

Hope it continues for my 3 sets, I would love to add a set of 70's to my certified Silver Eagle collection

guess I should clarify The only coins listed from this set are the Bullion And W unc. and they are running 2 to 1. There are no numbers yet for "S" bullion or either Proofs
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11/20/2011 5:15 pm
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 Posted 11/20/2011  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@wiff99
Thanks for the reply - I will keep track of these and we will see what happens. Also I am glad you mentioned the grading company - this should, I think, also be in the data collected.

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Hope this Time Reverse Proof and S Bullion are the (2) 70"s

I agree - thanks for posting.

I decided to make this a new topic:
https://goccf.com/t/103236
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
Edited by Earle42
11/20/2011 6:28 pm
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 Posted 11/20/2011  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnybro123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you know PCGS does have a guarantee backed up by cash offer. If you send in for a regrade and it grades under what they slabbed it at , they will buy the coin for cash.
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 Posted 11/20/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still salty I didn't get a set....
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When a Monster is made, you would think the quality and time to back up the "experts" suppose to be checked by 3 of them, should actually reflect the reality of it all....... Keep feeding the beast.
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 Posted 11/21/2011  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brakeman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hopeing today is the day I get good news from the mint!
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 Posted 11/21/2011  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverBug to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
good news! my order has shipped
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 Posted 11/21/2011  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin_Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Add in Coin World today was offering to buy sets. Called "Coast Coin" and they are offering to pay $750 per set right now. Should I do this? Looking to sell on ebay but those crazy fees are holding me back. What do you all think?
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Add in Coin World today was offering to buy sets. Called "Coast Coin" and they are offering to pay $750 per set right now. Should I do this? Looking to sell on ebay but those crazy fees are holding me back. What do you all think?


Wished I'da known that before I listed my 3 sets for sale on ebay.
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 Posted 11/21/2011  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
johnnybro123 said:

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you know PCGS does have a guarantee backed up by cash offer. If you send in for a regrade and it grades under what they slabbed it at , they will buy the coin for cash.


Thanks for posting this. I read up on their website all about their guarantee. I found it is, to me, not worth it b/c I lose no matter what.

I end up having to pay 49.00 for membership just to be allowed to pay 25.00 to submit the coin. Basically I am paying them the price I paid for the coin just for the privilege of using their guarantee!

If they admit the error, they pay me the price of an MS70 ASE and 25.00 reimbursement for the submission fee.

So I now have ~110.00 in my pocket - but.... I paid 75.00 to get it! So, in effect, I end up letting them give me 35.00 for my ASE they should be paying me 80.00-85.00 for!
-- well... I do get a few non-tangible membership "benefits" I had no wish to have - especially for 49.00 -- in the first place!

Examining their side of it:
They paid out 110.00.
... but during their association with this specific ASE,

If a private individual initially submitted it PCGS was paid 25.00 to slab it.
+25.00
The person who submitted it paid at least 49.00 membership:
+49
I paid them 49.00 for taking them up on their guarantee.
+49
If they sell the ASE they bought from me, they get at least the going price of an ASE:
+~35.00
subtract what they paid me:
-110
25 + 49 + 49 +35 -110 = 48.00 intake while making an error!

One step further...

Let's suppose they grade it as MS69 and sell it for going (I looked on ebay) values of ~75.00 - add another 40.00 to the total = 98.00!

Wow, I wish I had the potential (please note that word) of making 89.00 each time I made an error while providing a service. PCGS definitely has the potential to profit from making mistakes when dealing with private individuals. Maybe this explains some of the carelessness (perceived or not)?


BTW - On the page which cites conditions of which coins are eligible for their guarantee, they say that if a resubmitted coin is more than 2 points below what they labeled it as, this is called an "input error" and the coin is not eligible for the guarantee. They keep your 25.00 submission and ask you to pay postage to get the coin back!

I can see where this makes sense if a secretary accidentally typed a label making the coin appear to be worth 10,000 when it actually is only worth 100.00, they need this protection clause. But in my case, it can only work for their profit.

I wish the good old days of the handshake were still applicable. You made a mistake - you totally made it right. I'd like to see their policy be one of when there is a mistake such as this, they simply pay for the coin as labeled and take nothing from you at all - free submission. If the make a mistake - they make it right - pride in a service/job well done, and integrity.

edited for syntax
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
Edited by Earle42
11/21/2011 4:20 pm
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got an email from PCGS about an hour or so ago saying they are going to charge to send the OGP back to the people submitting coins if they want the OGP sent back to them. I deleted the email but this is a quote from Don on the PCGS forum

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Effective for all submissions postmarked after November 18, 2011 PCGS will charge a return shipping fee for Mint packaging.

Return shipping fees must be included in the original submission and are as follows:

$20 -- One or two 25th Anniversary Mint packages. That is up to two packages for $20. One package will cost $20 as well.

$30 -- Three to five 25th Anniversary Mint packages. That is any number of packages from three to five will cost $30 total.

Return shipping costs for over five 25th Anniversary Mint packages will be based on the above costs. Five sets of five packages will cost $150.

Mint packaging will not be returned for submissions received without prepayment. We will not accept phone calls requesting shipment after your submission has been received.
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 Posted 11/21/2011  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All that math done on the thread above regarding the grade guarantee is a bit skewed. It uses the $49 fee with regards to ONE coin submission....why in the world would someone pay to join to submit one freakin coin...10 coins, 100 coins do THAT math.

Grade guarantee with these moderns is really a misnomer in that most grade high anyway...the advantage is when an MS70 RP or W develops milk spots. These are NOT MS70 anymore and PCGS/NGC will either replace the coin or pay to buy it back.

I have submitted 8 2006 20th Annie 70's with milk spots and they replaced 6 and bought back 2 (NGC).

That is where the guarantee is worth it....exchange an unsellable MS70 with spots back into a $400-500 MS70
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