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In reality the house manufacturer would try to increase the profit margin on their materials, but the market would ultimately determine what they could do. Given that the material cost was only about a third of the selling price, my point was that in a free market situation the overall price wouldn't go up the same percentage as the material cost. Of course this is not a free market situation, so the government will just do what they want.
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From the US Mint:
"For the first time in four years, the Mint is making changes to the pricing for its numismatic products," according to U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White. "These changes are largely in reaction to changes in our cost levels over that time, and are necessary to ensure the continued financial self-sufficiency of the Mint's numismatic business.
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United States
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Quote: "For the first time in four years, the Mint is making changes to the pricing for its numismatic products," according to U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White. Of course this isn't an accurate statement.  Here is the pricing since 2016 for a few examples.  The 2016 Proof and Mint sets included the last three Presidential $1, 3 in the PS and 6 in the MS. You can check other items if you'd like, but there was an across the board increase in 2018. So, the 2020 increases are hardly the first increase in 4 years. 
Edited by BadDog 01/20/2020 11:03 am
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United States
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Thanks for the chart, BadDog. I was going to go back and check my records from the last few years because I knew that statement from the Mint wasn't accurate. Maybe this is the first time in four years they're making across-the-board increases on all products, but it's definitely not the first price increases in four years. So that statement is misleading at best. It's one thing to have a big price hike, but it's a whole other thing to lie about the justifications for it. 
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United States
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Quote: "For the first time in four years, the Mint is making changes to the pricing for its numismatic products," according to U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White. I guess whether or not this an accurate statement depends upon what it actually means.  Does "changes to the pricing" mean a price change? or a change in the method that prices are determined? If it means a price change, then it's definitely not accurate. If it means a change in the way prices are determined, then I suppose it could be an accurate statement.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Given that the material cost was only about a third of the selling price, my point was that in a free market situation the overall price wouldn't go up the same percentage as the material cost. Of course this is not a free market situation, so the government will just do what they want. While true there's no real price controls, my point was really just that material costs increases are basically always more than just cost. Quote: If it means a change in the way prices are determined, then I suppose it could be an accurate statement. It was almost certainly that one especially since the prices reflect something has changed
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WOW the gold eagle proofs went up by almost 25% in some of the items. I was going to get a 1/10 proof, I'll skip. The bullion gold coin is a much better price. The prices of the US mint products seem to have gone up much more than inflation would warrant.
The 4 coin set is now over $4000.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Very few people are going to buy proof ASE's with with a $9 price rise, when the spot price of silver is in decline.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The gold AGE'S are far over their prior sales. Gold is lower too....... 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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While I like our American Silver Eagle, I switched over early this year to the Australian Wedge-tailed Silver Eagles. Cheaper and quite honestly a much better design than the ASE. What was the mint thinking in not utilizing Mr. Mercanti's true potential and talent? The Perth Mint has.
ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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To a bullion dealer it makes no difference if your 1000 fine One Ounce is proof or not, and very little difference if it is American or Australian.
A coin dealer may? give you more if it is a proof, but I sold some silver proofs a couple of months ago to a coin dealer, and all got was the spot sliver price.
Buy what you like
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It wouldn't be smart to sell a numismatic coin to a bullion dealer. I wouldn't at all be surprised if that coin dealer took the coins he paid bullion for and resold them with a numismatic premium. If they were ASE's, there's almost no doubt he did that. However, some commemoratives are only worth a bit more than their bullion value.
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I wouldn't worry too much about this at this point. The global economy is likely crashing into a recession or depression and their cash grab before this happened is going to soon be irrelevant.
Currently with the unknown and variables, my dollars have become more valuable and important to me and I'm sure this applies to everyone else. I can choose between a mint coin or something else. There's a tightening. In order for them to sell them they are going to have to loosen prices, just the reality of it. This virus is throwing everyone for a loop and it will have an effect across the board. Saw a Ford commercial today and they were making first 3 payments and deferring the next 3, in essence giving the first 6 months free with no payments if you buy a new Ford. That doesn't happen unless the economy is struggling towards a recession or depression and they aren't struggling to sell cars and trucks.
They will adjust the prices to make sales. If they don't people won't buy them. The caveat is if this is just a "scare" or "panic" that goes away soon, then people wI'll keep bting and they have no need to reduce prices.
Supply and demand. If the demand isn't there then they will have to reduse prices to make sales.
Edited by Big-Kingdom 03/22/2020 04:21 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I have 3 items on subscription at the current cost I'm going to pass on 2 of them.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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The only subscription I'm considering cancelling is the 5-oz ATB coins; the rest I'll keep for now. But I'm flat-out passing on the AGE and gold commemoratives this year due to price hikes.
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