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How Did This Happen To These 1981 Proof Coins?

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 Posted 06/07/2020  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Agree with the observations above. I like the set--would pick one up at a show or coin shop if I came across it. Cool.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blind Squirrel to your friends list
Almost looks like this petri dish full of bacteria.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
Thanks for the input everyone! I was thinking about cracking it open to examine them more closely but after seeing Blind Squirrel's bacteria picture I think they'll stay where they are :p
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 Posted 06/07/2020  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
On second thought, I think I'll crack 'em eventually anyway... It'll be fun to figure out how this mini laboratory was created. I couldn't find any other coins online that resembled these so it may be useful.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list
with all the above comments. I would just leave it the way it is. I like the look! !
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 Posted 06/07/2020  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list
That was a nice type II (clear S) proof set at one time.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list
Yep, not airtight and then environmental damage.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
I'm kind of curious about something. I can't shake the feeling that some kind of foreign chemical was to blame for this, as opposed to just heat and water. Of course, I was thinking the same thing but realized the outside plastic and black casing is still jet black with shiny lettering. Outside casings are in great shape. It's only the coins and red plastic that seems disrupted.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
And I'm not sure, but the penny esp. really looks like a woodie. Unless that's a big coincidence, I don't think that's the case however. But all of them seem more like some miscalculated effort rather than the effects of only poor storage.


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 Posted 06/08/2020  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
After looking over some hundred + ways a coin could be altered in the minting / packaging process, I've found that the mint has been known to experiment with anti-tarnishing agents to help preserve the coin's luster, many of which had failed.
But it seems that the mint keeps it's methods pretty well hidden from public view, so I guess there's no real way to find out?

If I could just find some coins with similar effects caused by improper storage, I'd be happy. It's kind of my nature to obsess about things until I found out the truth, otherwise.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blind Squirrel to your friends list
@Stephen-P, here is something to consider. Your avatar shows you are in Japan. If these coins lived their part of their life subject to the Japanese environment, especially the salty air/water, that could explain what you are seeing. A great comparison would be any gold coins stored in the same location. They won't react to salt air and water like the other metals. Just thinking out loud, having spent some time in Japan.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list
Lots of factors cause toning. Humidity is one factor. Another is what the set was stored in proximity to. Sulfur is a common culprit that causes toning. I remember hearing that some collectors sealed coins in a plastic bag with a book of matches to try to obtain desirable toning. Some people feel that these coins are worth a premium with toning:

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Almost looks like this petri dish full of bacteria.


LOL. We'd call that one TNTC where I work.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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I can't shake the feeling that some kind of foreign chemical was to blame for this, as opposed to just heat and water.

Floods are not composed of distilled water.
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 Posted 06/09/2020  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
IMHO, PSD from moisture (and sunlight?) creating an impaired proof set.
The bumpy surface definitely looks similar to moisture/humidity damaged coins. Coins pulled out of wet ground conditions will have this bumpy texture.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the effect of extreme temperature changes causing moisture to condensate on the surface of the coins. The fact that all coins seem to be affected seems to rule out an individual process at the mint (Experimental "washes" and such) since each metal composition would be treated differently.

The spots on the SBA was probably where the water collected around dust particles.
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 Posted 07/08/2020  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
That's why I come on here. I appreciate all the knowledge!
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