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1804 Half Cent C-13 Plain 4 No Stem You Vs ANACS

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 Posted 01/14/2021  1:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
lets get some comments on grade and if anyone knows the markers for C-13 other than the plain 4, if you can comment on that also as I'm not sure if there are any other ones



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 Posted 01/14/2021  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/14/2021  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with C-13.
I can see ANACS giving it an XF-40.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-25, possibly 30. Scrapes on neck, cheek and right obverse field might detail this.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnjkedel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some may say 35. I say 40. Outside chance of scratch-details as Coinfrog mentioned.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EF(40)?
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 Posted 01/14/2021  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy oh boy...if coins could only talk...I bet the first 20 years of her life could write a book.
I'm at VF25-VF30
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 Posted 01/14/2021  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-30 I say nice coin
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 Posted 01/15/2021  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For XF I believe the "curl near ear" needs to be fully expressed? Not sure. Anyhow, I say VF35.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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For XF I believe the "curl near ear" needs to be fully expressed?


old coppers do not follow all the markers for a grade due to striking issues as well planchet issues coming from England. you must look at the coin in total when assessing a grade on these. this one is showing weakness from k5-k10 on the reverse. also around the L in LIBERTY and some of the flatness in the hair behind the face is from strike as well as circulation wear. it takes a good eye and knowledge these inherent issues to determine the difference.

look at the sharpest devices such as the drape and date as well as the bust and cheek which in this case is exhibiting very little wear

i can tell everyone it graded straight so FROG you missed it again
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 Posted 01/15/2021  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/15/2021  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, @panzaldi. You have a gift for words.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/16/2021  02:40 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a VF35, but I'm betting on ANACS going the other way and calling it too low VF20 maybe?
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 Posted 01/16/2021  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a few folks got it.

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 Posted 01/16/2021  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JMHO, but I'd leave this one in the ANACS slab. I do think it would straight grade, but I don't think it would cross over at 40.

Tough coin to find without problems. Yours is a decent example. You are absolutely right on the planchet issues for these critters.

The last plain 4 no stem I handled was a couple weeks before the world turned upside down with COVID. It was a MS-63RB, and I hunted for one for several years for my client. Almost every one I found looked like it had been used for skeet shooting.
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