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"Usa Act" May Kill Penny, Nickel & $1 Bill

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I can't disagree with that, Jbuck, but past proposals to eliminate the paper dollar and to replace it with a coin have met with public opposition.
Again, change, people hate change. The solution is to not give them a choice. Did the citizens of Canada get to choose? No, the government made the change and everyone survived. We must do the same, however, I do not believe that public opinion is the real issue (only an excuse). The real problem is the lobbyists keeping the status quo.


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However, as a collector, I would hate to see any of that happen (though I think circulating silver coins as mentioned would be neat). There would be no more opportunities to score wheat cents and War Nickels.
I am sure we will survive. Just think of the $1, $2, $5,$10, and $20 sets we will enjoy building!
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The idea that the Government will revoke your passport if you owe $50k in taxes is appalling. Reminds me of Sonny in "A Bronx Tale" - "Now Youse Can't Leave..."
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jbuck has the gist of it the reason the dollar coin has failed repeatedly is that the dollar bill was still an option. Heck when I spend dollar coins almost every cashier is like wow as if they had never seen them or didn't even knew they existed. Honestly how many people carry cash anyways nowdays whats the percentage there people would quickly adapt to the dollar coin if it was the only option or just keep moving more and more to just carrying debit cards.

The penny or cent to still be making is ridiculous just another fine example of our government throwing money away. Lets keep producing something that is only worth a fraction of what it costs to make and has zero buying power ZERO you can not buy a single thing for a cent much less 10 of these little buggers. Drop some pennies on the ground and see how many people bother to pick them up. Our country was smarter in the 1850's then it is now when they realized hey the Half Cent really doesn't have much buying power and costs too much to make lets eliminate it.
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Here's an interesting mental exercise. Assume that these changes were enacted. The penny and nickel are obsoleted and 1 dollars are changed to coins only. (Very unlikely, I know, but humor me.) What do you see happening to the coinage and how does it affect us coin collectors?
How long does it take for the pennies and nickels dry up in circulation? Does anybody hoard them because of their melt value, similar to what was done with silver in the 1960's? (I wasn't there, so forgive if I am wrong on that.) Do the values of these coins go down due to oversupply in the hobby of the what would become non-circulating coins? Or maybe the values go up if they are all removed from circulation and melted? Well, maybe our Canadian contingent here on CCF can enlighten us Southerners?
Do we get a huge influx of new numismatists collecting the new dollar coin? (I doubt it, if it didn't happen with State Quarters, Sacagewea's or president dollars.)
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Does anybody hoard them because of their melt value, similar to what was done with silver in the 1960's?

Yes the copper memorials and nickels are hoarded.

Unless the nickels and cents are recalled, they will be floating around in change jars for generations.
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Shouldn't the government be doing something about inflation instead? They wouldn't have to revamp anything. I can buy more with my money in poorer countries; but the homeless here will flip out if you give them 5 or 10 cents (you can buy a plastic here for 5 cents I wish I was joking). Even a dollar today is a low blow because one has to come up with the sales tax.

I don't think it's been long enough since 2012 to really say anything about Canadian pennies yet. I can tell you about dollar bills though, they are not rare nor are they very desirable (last run of 1973).

re: Susan B. Anthony dollar... what were they thinking?
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Again, change, people hate change. The solution is to not give them a choice. Did the citizens of Canada get to choose? No, the government made the change and everyone survived. We must do the same, however, I do not believe that public opinion is the real issue (only an excuse). The real problem is the lobbyists keeping the status quo.


There's this part of me that believes that the public *should* be given a choice in this and some other matters I won't get into (for fear of touching off a political discussion).

I do think you're correct re the lobbyists. And in the case of the cent, the Congressional delegation from Illinois.

And you're correct in people not wanting change, especially to their change.

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(I doubt it, if it didn't happen with State Quarters, Sacagewea's or president dollars.)


That is because the designs are boring imo.

There, I said it. I actually do collect coins, but these designs just dont seem all that inspiring to me, so I would imagine to the general non coin collecting public, they dont seem to be either.

Give me something like the old designs. Like a walking liberty(cant do that because of the ASE), but something along those lines, and I would care about the $1 coins.

But that is just me.


And yes, it could be done if it was forced. But the vending machine people will complain, because most vending machines are setup to take small coins and bills. And heck, you cant 'make it rain' with dollar coins. Well, I guess it would be 'make it hail'. hahaha
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That is because the designs are boring imo


I liked the states quarters and I'm glad we did them, but I can't say that about the ATB Quarters or the Prexibux.

Those Presidential dollars *do* look like game tokens, reminding me of the aluminum coins that Shell gas stations used to hand out many years ago.
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Shouldn't the government be doing something about inflation instead? They wouldn't have to revamp anything.
A little late for that, no? The damage is done.


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There's this part of me that believes that the public *should* be given a choice in this and some other matters I won't get into
I am somewhat with you on that. But we live in a republic, not a democracy. We elect representatives to make the difficult choices.


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(for fear of touching off a political discussion).
Agreed. We can always move this part of the debate to General Discussion.

That being said, let's get back to the coins.
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I read a article about the Statehood collectors about how much money they mint made from these because of all the hoarding and how these are starting to slowly work there way back into circulation. How many grandmas or kids have a complete set of these sitting on a shelf somewhere that until they re-enter circulation were a complete success. I know we have 5 complete sets of these in my house (4 d mint sets that my wife was putting together for her brothers that never made it to there desired targets and a P & D set that I put together). That means I have $75 of quarters just sitting in books that is really only worth $75 I'd be lucky to talk anyone into paying me more than $75 for them. I found them fun to collect and they are fun to have but yea they aren't worth anything. I am also doing the ATB Quarters and I do the Presidential dollars and sac dollars (I might be luckier to get more than face value there because of the lack of collections in those markets).

That's why the mint keeps trying to make these sets from the ATB the Presidential dollars the more people set them aside the more of a pure profit venture they are they keep hoping to strike gold a second time like they did with the Statehood Quarters. But the Statehood Quarters was unique because it was the first major design change to circulating coinage in 35 years. The designs had grown stale the Lincoln Cent has been around since 1909, the Jefferson nickel since 1938, the Roosevelt dime since 1946, the Washington quarter since 1932 and the Kennedy half since 1964 (granted that coin no longer circulated by 1999). It was something new it was something different and it was something to collect and a lot of people did. It was also a coin that was heavily used and you could pull a set out of circulation. Its now 2014 we have seen a different design on the quarters for 15 years that uniqueness is gone. Dollars didn't work because they never circulated the quarter was a perfect medium.
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No way this bill moves an inch



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Come on, it will move at least six feet.


Is that how far the trash can is from the lectern they are going to present this from?
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When he said it would move six feet, I think he meant it would move six feet under.
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I can't disagree with that, Jbuck, but past proposals to eliminate the paper dollar and to replace it with a coin have met with public opposition.

Past proposals? There has only been one and that was last year. All the proposals and legislation to introduce dollar coins since 1970 to last year all focused on issuing the coin but NONE of them addressed eliminating the dollar note. In fact if the note was mentioned at all it was to say they would co-circulate and the note would not be withdrawn. Just like they said the silver and clad coins would both circulate freely for many years.


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Unless the nickels and cents are recalled, they will be floating around in change jars for generations.

In change jars yes, but not in circulation. Cents wouldn't last a year, possibly not even 6 months. Nickels would stick around longer but probably not more than a few years.
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if they get rid of the dollar bill, what will all those people do at gentleman's clubs?
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