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1942-P Mercury Dime Massive Die Cracks?

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Knife marks.
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I agree with Buddy...solder lines ...that's the 1st thing that came to my mind when I saw the picture. Can't think of what else it could be.
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Knife marks.


It's nothing more than knife marks as others have said
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I don't agree with those being knife marks. Nor do I think it is a damaged die. My initial thought was silver solder as well, with the color matching up over time. However the solder would need to be 90% to be perfect uniform, especially circulated. Have you put a magnet to it?

My second thought, was how much the lines look to be that of a waffled coin gone wrong. I don't think the mint waffled back then, However they were extremely experimental in the 40's. Perhaps this was an early attempt?
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If it was me, I would send it in to a TPG just for the fun of it. If its PMD the coin becomes pricy but NGC will usually specify the type of damage it is. You can call it an educational fee. On the other hand, If its a true mint error, you would want it in a labeled slab anyway right?
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Does the mint dispose of old dies?


Yes, and they grind them down to stubs.
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The thought of a cancelled die crossed my mind but I don't know how they cancelled dies then; I thought they were waffling by that point. Don't discount how deceptive knife cuts can look after circulation. This is why I'm advising high-res imagery of each stripe - I think it'll end the speculation.
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I don't know why but when I look at that coin I am reminded of Wolverine from X-men
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I tried my magnet it did not stick I will take high resolution pictures tomorrow

I held it on flip at 35 degree angle



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Must be Knife marks multiple experts here agree and I got a reply from Mike Diamond stating similar as well.

makes me want to do some knife graffiti coins to dump back into circulation
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The first of the new detail images looks to tell the story. Check the rim - you can see what looks to be the wedge-shaped cut a blade would make at the rim. But boy, this one's deceptive.
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Yeah, I see that cut on the rim now. Very informative thread, thanks!
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I suspect not a modern day PMD. LOL!

Nice to look at this one.
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Mike Diamond has already identified it onanother thread as being cuts in the coin. I have also identified things like this coin several times and being made from cuts in the coin.


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The thought of a cancelled die crossed my mind but I don't know how they cancelled dies then; I thought they were waffling by that point.

Dies have been cancelle/destroyed by several methods. In the old records they mentioned "by fire and sledge" which was done by heating the die in the runace to a high temperature and then either smashing the face with a sledge hammer or using the sledge to drive a chisel type tool into the die face. Ususally in a X fashion. They have also used grinding tools to cut a deep X in the face, or a cutting torch to melt the die face (seen on the 1968 proof dies that were sold for scrap) or the current method of grinding the entice face off the die. As far as I know they have never "waffled" dies, they do that to coins and not until the late 1990's.
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Thanks, Conder. I know Morgans got X-ed, but have little idea about newer dies.
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