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Bedrock of the Community
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Now the prices of these Ikes - IF and when they show up on ebay - are through the roof.
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United States
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Thanks for all the beer offerings !
The ironic thing is, I don't really like beer (sacrilege, I know). I went to high school just down the street from the Coors brewery. Not a bad smell, but very strong and saturating at times. No Coke, no Pepsi either. But once in a while I do like a little good Bourbon or Tequila.
True, I have not visited here in a while. I don't remember having any issue with anybody posting here. But as I remember, there was a moderator here who gave off to me a bad vibe. But that was a few years and a couple computers ago.
jgfindring notified me about this thread via email. So I am happy to return here to accept the virtual/symbolic beer offerings !
Thanks, Daniel Carr
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Quote: I am foursquare in Daniel Carr's corner as one of the true numismatic iconoclasts among us (for me, the highest-possible praise). Regardless of what you may think of his efforts, there is plainly not a larcenous bone in his body and he's putting himself out there as the target for discussions which have to happen in our hobby. We are but a few years from 3D printed coins and consumer-level 3-axis machining accurate enough for a die.
And thanks to him, once others start producing this stuff in their kitchens we will have already held it out in front of us and looked at it, and we'll know what to do.
Yeah, he doesn't pay for beer if I'm present. " iconoclast". I sort of like the sound of that  Based upon my minting experience, I don't think we have anything to fear from "kitchen" (or even garage) counterfeiting any time in the foreseeable future. A 3-D printed coin will always have the characteristics of a cast coin, not a struck coin. 3-D printing can not produce the same internal metal stresses (mint luster), detail, and patina as a die-struck coin. Hobbyist-level 3-axis engraving machines already exist. But to make a convincing counterfeit, it takes much more accuracy than most engraving machines (even industrial ones) are capable of. And then there is the problem of replicating the engraving of an existing coin (which is quite difficult to do). In fact, the traditional methods of making a counterfeit die still produce better results than newer methods. The traditional methods involve making a transfer die molded from a genuine coin. I think garage-based counterfeiting is potentially more likely going to involve altering existing coins rather than minting new ones. For example, using a lathe to marry a common-date obverse to a common mint mark reverse to produce a rare combination.
Edited by dcarr 08/19/2015 03:35 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I am a member of another coin forum, which can not be named here, and Daniel has produced all our medals, including the Gary Burke memorial medal, mentioned previously. His work is outstanding and much sort after. I would certainly buy him a drink. I would not buy his medals though, just because I don't collect them. (except the ones minted for the other forum) Steve   
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I don't personally own any Carr pieces, but am definitely a fan.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for dropping in dcarr. I hope you found the reception palatable. Alot of us love your work. A few questions, That fallen angel sculpture series is quite unique. On the large one, what's the eye compsition? Is it enamel or cold-painted? And the "defiance" piece is awesome the way Zeus's bolt is being flung back to him. Is that Hercules? Anyway, I hope you stick around and update us from time to time on your future works. Too bad I'm not in your neck of the woods, I'd have loved to see that sculptural exhibit!
Ps. Just wondering if you have ever thought of doing a reissue of your more popular pieces like the 64 peace, 1909 morgan & the ikes etc in 5oz puck size? Or would this be out of the realm of possibility
Edited by Cascade 08/19/2015 10:24 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@Daniel Carr - For some reason a fantasy 1979 Eisenhower dollar just popped into my mind. That's not a hint at all. Really. I mean it.  Just imagine: an Eisenhower dollar for every year of the 1970s. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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@Darth 
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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Pillar of the Community
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 You never know, Earl.
Edited by Darth Morgan 08/19/2015 11:47 am
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I'm more scared of 3D printing merging with machining to a level of capability where legitimate dies can be produced, than anything else. The tech already exists to create a *perfect* counterfeit in software; it only remains for the hardware to catch up. And the benefit of such technology to industry is so transparent - zero off-computer development for any machined part, however small the production run - that prudence requires the assumption that smart people are bending over backwards trying to make it happen. The technology dovetail between 3D printing (as new carbon- or epoxy-based materials become available for the process, thereby displacing parts machined from more traditional metals) and machining is obvious. You print the new part as close to tolerance as the 3D process allows, and shoot for one machining step with the product unmoving from where it was created.
And when the machine fits on a table, you can wire a bunch of them into the network spilling onto the exit line at timed intervals and produce six different parts at once, each of which were mere noodles on paper the morning before.
Industry is driving this, and the counterfeiters can only benefit. It's coming.
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Valued Member
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I have a degree in mechanical engineering. That is one of the things that led me to get into minting. I worked for many years in the CAD/CAM and image processing software industry. I wrote my own 3-D digital sculpting program and I use it along with sophisticated CNC equipment.
Until a Star Trek "replicator" device is built to replicate an item atom-by-atom (with the correct bonds between the atoms), replicas will always have tell-tale signs.
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Valued Member
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Quote:@Daniel Carr - For some reason a fantasy 1979 Eisenhower dollar just popped into my mind. That's not a hint at all. Really. I mean it. Just imagine: an Eisenhower dollar for every year of the 1970s. I have, in fact, already thought of a "1979" Eisenhower dollar over-strike. It is a possibility at some point. But not a high priority since I've already done all possible Eisenhower dollar types ("1970", "1975" regular reverse, "1975" Bicentennial reverse, and all of those in 40% silver and copper-nickel clad). If I follow the path that I made on the "1975" Ike dollars and "1975" Kennedy half dollars, for the Washington quarters I still have these to do: "1975-D" (copper-nickel clad, regular reverse); and "1975-S" (silver, regular reverse). Some other modern (current design) over-strikes that I've thought about: "1908" Lincoln Cent; "1942" Lincoln Cent in steel with a large "P" mint mark identifier like the "war" nickels; "2009-S VDB" Lincoln Wheat-back Cent in bronze. "1937" Jefferson nickel; "2005" Jefferson nickel in the original (non-Westward-Journey) format; "1999" Washington quarter in the regular (non-statehood) format; "1978" Susan B Anthony dollar; "1982" Susan B Anthony dollar; "1998" Susan B Anthony dollar; "2000" Susan B Anthony dollar; "1999" Sacagawea dollar. The last one on this list could be problematic, however, since the Sacagawea obverse is one of the few US coin designs that actually is copyrighted. But as an over-strike on a genuine Sacagawea design coin, it is undetermined if there would be any issues with that.
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United States
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Great to have you here, Daniel. I am a Peace dollar collector, so my vote (not that it counts for anything lol) is a 1929 Peace dollar (then a '30, '31, '32, '33, not that I'm greedy). Also, I was curious if you have any opinion of Bashlow's restrikes? I have the J.J. Conway & Co. Bankers set, and love the story behind them. Anyway, I hope you stick around!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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2009 S VDB  @dcarr Do you think you will ever make the 64 P Franklin to go with the D? Or was working with Ben too problematic? The 42-P steel is also genius.
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