1985-D Lincoln Memorial Cent DDR? New Pics With Qx5

No doubt the die is worn and I see some MD, too.
Jim

Ok now I am really confused. All I have heard about finding doubled dies is look for split serifs, raised doubling, not shelf looking, look for what is part of the serif, not seperate from it, well I see all this, but not a doubled die......man I give up..........

Vaslin, you're loyalties are showing.

Jim

One thing that helps me discern Die Deterioration from DD is irregularity of the secondary impression. It's especially noticeable in "OF", and a DD would more closely resemble the stronger impression.

There is no rotated hub doubling on the nickel shown.

Die Deterioration Doubling can mimic hub doubling on nickels even to where the serifs seem split.

I have several from the early 1980s especially from the Denver Mint that can drive you nuts. The coins still were not struck by doubled dies.

It is worth five cents plus the education received by finding it:-)

The longer you hang on to these, the more the buying power goes down:-) Spend it soon, you'll see hundreds of others over time:-)

No, It's not a die variety. The die gets worn, the metal around the lettering on the die becomes distorted.

Their is no rehubbing of worn dies with a different design.

There is no incidence of "worn hub doubling" known to my knowledge. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of nickels with doubling that looks like this. I hve sen quarter dollars and dimes like this as well. It is purely a function of the dies becoming worn out.

OK. I would think that any Die Deterioration would show up more like Machine Doubling with evidence of the metal looking pushed. Shelf doubled. Dies do in fact wear out to be sure. They show a more muddled or widening or fattening of the designs, letters, ect. in the lower areas of the coin near the planchet do to the die stretching at its face. Usually you can see doubling all around any given letter. This appears to happen here. Look at the picture of the M. But, is that all that is happening?

Hubing can look similiar. I would imagine that worn hubs sometimes do get used on any given die. Sometimes before and sometimes after a good hub was used. But remember, the mint does not get busy and certainly does not make mistakes.

Hubs do in fact wear out. That is why dies go to the ovens to soften their metal. It prolongs the life of the Hub and also protects the die. Imagine a hub being used over time. Eventually it is probably going to expand outwards from all that pressure. Take that worn Hub and press a die a couple times. Then replace the hub with a newer non worn hub and press the die a few more times. What do you suppose happens to that die? Ya get a variety. The low relief areas should be wider than the high relief of the design elements. Kinda like Die Deterioration. Think that it does not happen just because the coin is a nickel?

As to design hub changes not happening, Ever heard of a die that was hubbed by both proof and business strike hubs. Who thinks that hub design changes do not happen? Ever look at a 1878 7/8 tailfeather coin? How about a 1942/1 dime? No hub change?

Look closely at the above pictures. Certainly looks like something else could be going on here other than just Die Deterioration. I really like the picture of the T. I also think that I see some split serifs.

Keep the coin anyways, it still is a variety. If a die gets messed up enough while producing coins it can make all kinds of varieties...Die clashes, die breaks, relaps, Die Cuds, filled dies ect. This is beginning to be appreciated more and more with the seated coinages. Check out some of their values now.

I suppose the confusion stems from the fact that Die Deterioration shows up a lot on nickels. Nickel trashes dies. Sometimes tho, I just wonder about it all. More so when there is evidence of a split serif.

If the coin is radical enough to be of obvious interest, who is to say what is collectible or valuable? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Perhaps die variety is a subjective concept.

Good answers folks. I am sure that it helps collectors learn. G.