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Plated Or A Genuine Error Coin?

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Went and got this off ebay. This was described as a white metal error coin. The original coin is a bi-metal coin.

Some pictures

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I did some weight test comparison but it seems to be within Weight Tolerance of all the other similar 10 ruble coin that I have. The edge is to show the color difference sandwiched between two genuine coin.

My question is, do you think this is a plated coin or a genuine wrong planchet error coin.
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 Posted 02/19/2017  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.coinworld.com/news/world...em.all.html#

Read a few paragraphs down, you'll likely find your answer.
I hope you can get that ad to close, no luck here
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 Posted 02/19/2017  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biedercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

fioti: that's a broken link. It comes up 404 for me. What does the article say?

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It described how Russian bi-met in '91 &2 had both types of centers.
The page wont come up for me now, how strange, It was a Coinword
article, Ima going to try a work-around, in an attempt to find it again
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Alright, goog "1991 off metal 10 rubles".

On the 1st page, look toward the bottom for " Transitional planchets not always what they seem | Coin World" Your info is a couple-few paragraphs down the article.

You can get to it that way. Good luck!
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I read the link - that website says in 1991 there are copies known in white metal. It does not say if these were official releases - mint errors (struck on wrong planchet) or counterfeits.

I am always suspicious when planchets of different colors are in play.
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According to Krause, the coin on the left is Y # 296 and the coin on the right is Y # 295

scratch that, oops
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Why does the coin on the left have absolutely no luster? Looks like someone played with it.
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The coin on the left (not bi-metallic) is slightly larger than the bi-metallic coin. You can see the difference in your edge picture, too. What was the ebay listing number?
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I returned the first coin. Took a lot of effort to convince this cannot be genuine. Guess what? The seller still continues to offer it.

There was another coin that had me interested. This looked like it had to potential to be struck on the 1992 100 ruble planchet. I decided to see it in hand

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Weight wise for all the coins used

1991 10 ruble (normal) : 6.02g

1991 10 ruble (plated silver?): 5.91g

1992 50 ruble: 5.91g

1991 10 ruble (switched alloy?): 6.08g

You can see that the weight test is not reliable as the weight of these coins have a huge variance.

The surface just does not look right. At best, it looks like it is heavily cleaned. But the color and toning does not look right! Gold just looks too bright for brass and nickel copper just does not tone in such a funny color. Lastly the dot is something that just cannot happen unless it's plated.

Honestly I'm that tempted to put a scratch through the coin to demonstrate that it has been altered but I'm not too keen on throwing my money out. I've lost on shipping but this helps me keep in touch of the modern counterfeit / altered coins sellers would try to push through.

Your opinion?
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