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1913 S Buffalo Nickel Type 2... Grading Opinions.

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Almost 3/4 the way through my AU-UNC Buff set. Picked up this one. Liberty a bit weak, but overall I was happy with the strike on this one. Grading opinions please! I'm thinking MS 62? Thanks all in advance.
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I don't know where you get MS-62 from . To me it's more of an MS-65+ The split tail knocked my socks off as well as that sharp horn .
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 Posted 05/11/2020  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin.... 64'ish!
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 Posted 05/11/2020  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beautiful nickel. Liberty is a bit weak but other than that it's just hammer struck. MS-64, perhaps.
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Sans the liberty I'm very happy with the rest of the strike. Staying on the conservative side with the large ding in the obverse. Few in the hair. Reverse has a few ticks on the legs and belly. Couple small ones in the field below the legs as well that are a little easier to see in hand. Luster is nice but a bit subdued. Maybe I'm a bit too conservative on it .
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 Posted 05/11/2020  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weakness in LIBERTY is a design defect on 1913-1915 Buffs. LIBERTY was strengthened on the 1916 and later Buffs. Because of the design issue, LIBERTY is disregarded in grading 1913-1915 Buffs.

Your coin has well matched dies, which is scarce in the series, EMDS obverse and reverse.

Your coin has an unusually strong strike for an early San Francisco Buff. Remember, the branch mints only had been striking nickel coinage for one year (1912-S Liberty nickels, a much easier design to strike) when this coin appeared, and the Buffalo design created huge problems for the mints. The cluttered design required significant striking pressure to bring up the details, and the common clash marks necessitated repeated die polishing. Weakly struck branch mint Buffs are the norm. One this sharply struck is an eye-popper. On the obverse, the rachis is complete, though weak, on the second feather. The feather tie is detailed. The eye, nostril, mouth, chin, date, and ribbon are bold. On the reverse, the peripheral lettering is sharp, the horn, eye, hair on the head, beard, and tail are sharp and complete. The hair on the back has been polished lightly, but is otherwise complete. The ground details are crisp. There is substantial detail on the left foreleg and right rear leg, except where the latter has been polished.

Your coin shows evidence of the common clash marks and some die polishing, though not heavy die polishing. The "LIB" of LIBERTY / right rear leg clash has been polished lightly. The Indian's chin / EPU clash has been polished lightly on the obverse, and shows weakly on the reverse, without polishing. The second feather / buffalo's head and "U" of UNITED clash resulted in polishing the tip of the second feather and shows lightly without polishing on the reverse. The hairline / ground level clash is unpolished. The neck / buffalo's upper back clash was polished on the obverse and reverse, though lightly.

What appears to be an E-W scratch on the Indian's cheek is actually a common hairline die crack from the back of the Indian's nose through the middle of the second feather. Again, the branch mints initially tried to compensate for the hard metal and difficult design by using higher striking pressure, prematurely damaging and wearing out the dies.

Turning to technical grade, the obverse shows two significant bag marks on the hair above the braid and a small contact mark on the date. Disregarding eye appeal adjustments, the obverse would grade at MS-64, though barely, primarily due to the lack of other noticeable contact marks. The reverse is spectacular. A few small NE-SW contact marks on the side and upper shoulder, one small divot above the "I" in FIVE, and two small contact marks on the central side are all I can see. The reverse easily grades MS-65. The net technical grade would be MS-64/MS-64+.

Eye appeal adjustments alter that grade. The exceptional strike, minimal die polishing, and eye-pleasing matching die pairing easily push this up one full step. I see the resulting net grade as MS-65/MS-65+.

This is among the very best 1913-S Type 2 Buffs I have seen in more than 45 years in the business. You hit a walkoff grand slam here. Fantastic coin!
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fortcollins, my hat is off to you for the analysis, and my toupee is off to Ty2020b for the key Buffalo!
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As always, thank you all and thank you FC for your knowledge! Definitely never done learning in this hobby! I paid $610, saw it as a great deal (Especially now).
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Very strong MS-65! Beautiful coin!
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@ fortcollins, your wife might call you a coin nerd, however I call you a treasure for all of us wanting more knowledge towards these Buffs...THANKS for being here...


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Coin has a nice strike. Luster looks subdued but that could be lighting. I'm gonna disagree that this is gem. I have it at MS63. The picture below, reproduced from above show 4 hits in the focal point of the obverse. The 3rd one from the left looks pretty deep.

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Hard to add anything to the excellent analysis by @fortcollins. I'd say a solid MS-65.
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VERY nice addition to your set.

MS64.
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I see the resulting net grade as MS-65/MS-65+.



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To me it's more of an MS-65+

Wow , is it possible I called it before fortcollins did .
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I'm at MS65 also, the reverse strike is very nice
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A few hits in places that are hard to notice. MS-65.
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