1859 Canadian Large Cents From The Okiecoiner Collection

Here is the one I have

Well, I'm looking forward to following this thread.

yes, more ple ASE

This next coin from Okiecoiner's collection is Haxby catalog # 151 Obverse 45a + Reverse J3c. It's another difficult die pair to find. This pairing with J3c is the 7th of 11 reverse dies paired with Obverse 45a.

On the Obverse die The C of CANADA is quadruple punched at the top serif, and by this pairing several serious obverse die cracks had formed. The diagonal crack between the E and I of DEI is a good marker.
https://www.vickycents.com/obv-o45a.html

On the reverse die, as with most J group reverses, the loop above leaf 2 and the stem to leaf 9 are good markers to check in any die state. There is a die crack at leaf 14 on Bill's coin, but no other die cracks. That would make this an intermediate die state not yet listed in the catalog.
https://www.vickycents.com/rev-j3c.html

Yes, I remember the nice article you wrote about that Dan. Do you have a link to that article?

It would be very helpful for 1859 collectors to read it!

The article was published in the CN Journal Vol. 56 No.8 October 2011, page 498.

Here is a link to the article.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9...GLsIG5QF1Wbw

Haxby hadn't published on the web a complete number set at the time I wrote the article, just groupings. The article references the 7 reverses I found associated with this obverse at the time. Here is the conversion chart for those to the current Haxby reverse numbers.

Rev.1 - I7
Rev.2 - I7a
Rev.3 - J3
Rev.4 - K2
Rev.5 - K2a
Rev.6 - K2b - This is the reverse that was counterfeited for 1858 and 1859.
Rev.7 - J3d or J4

Notes on identifying the K2b counterfeit 1859 reverse:

The Chinese Counterfeit
Will never be a higher grade than seen in photo in the article.
Will not have Vicky crud in the devices.
Will not have 170 years of patina.
Will have a colour that will make you pause.
The coin will look to be softly struck.
Vicky has had a nose job.

The Real coin
Will be seen across many grades.
Will have Vicky crud if a circ. unless the coin has been cleaned.
Will have a nice patina unless the coin has been cleaned.
Will be chocolate brown unless the coin has been cleaned.
The coin will look to be fully struck.
Vicky has her original nose.

Notes on identifying the K2B 1858 counterfeit reverse:

The Chinese Counterfeit
Will never be a higher grade than seen in photo in the article.
Will not have Vicky crud in the devices.
Will not have 170 years of patina.
Will have a colour that will make you pause.
The coin will look to be softly struck.
Vicky has had a nose job, resulting in a bump at the bridge of her nose.
The obverse is exactly the same as that use for 1859.
The reverse has exactly the same die cracks as that found for 1859.
The entire date has been re-cut into the working die using the wrong font.
The T in CENT is missing the upper left side.

The Real coin
There is no real coin for 1858 with any of these characteristics.

Awesome Phil310 please keep it up ---the boys are back--

No wonder I don't have them --R9,R6,R9,R8,