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2020 P Jefferson Nickle DDR Discovery?

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 Posted 01/05/2022  08:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Crazieon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi.. what is this? I'm still very new to the hobby and tend to find Machine Doubling.. I must assume the same is happening here.. I do not see a listing for this anywhere and the condition seems fairly marginal., please advise.
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 Posted 01/05/2022  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yorkish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like really bad Machine Doubling to me
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 Posted 01/05/2022  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At this point, I'm thinking Machine Doubling as well--flat and shelf-like.
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I agree, looks like MD and DDD due to Die Deterioration.
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 Posted 01/05/2022  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazieon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much.. it was really split serif on the S that had me wonder.
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Note all the areas you are looking at is where you will find Machine Doubling. It damages the outside/inside devices often in one or more directions. The DDR's are not in that area. They are in the center of the design near the top of the doors:
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The single squeeze dies doubled dies are more in the center of the designs. Take a look at listings to see where/what to look for on these coins. Save your eyes for the new place to look at for the DDR's and DDO's on the the post 1999 nickels.
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Coop.. you are awesome man.. do I dare post the Kennedy half with a Cud or don't waste my time?
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Post it on a new thread. That way if you find it easier when you go back to look for the thread. (may see obvious now, but 6 months down the road, you will forget what thread it was added to. Just makes it easier on the mind)
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I posted the same exact die and it was the consensus that it was Die Deterioration. You do not have MD that looks identical this many times, sometimes similar but not identical. Look at my pics in this thread and I'm sure you will be able to match up other markers that will prove it's the same die, with identical deterioration too, not MD.

THREAD http://goccf.com/t/411321
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@makecents.. that is pretty neat.. you are correct.. close to identical.. should I toss it in the bulk change jar, "sleeve it", list it save fir my kids? Not looking for a "you poor thing" but I got evicted and literally anything helps.. my local coin shops don't know how to identify a DD and only buy stuff they can melt down.. just curious what I should so with all of the Machine Doubling, Die Deterioration and minor things like that..
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The problem is that DDR is on the side that faces the rim. This is not. It is Machine Doubling. The same machine can make MD differently from strike to strike:
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I found these in two new rolls that had never been opened and all were the same BU coins. Note the examples have the same marker on them, so they were all done by the same die pair. But note the difference seen differently strike to strike. There were several more in the roll, but copies of the same Machine Doubling on other coins. If the machine is real loose, it does not follow an exact pattern. Just lighty loose can make the same Machine Doubling. You have Machine Doubling. Not a doubled die, and not DDD.
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@makecents.. that is pretty neat.. you are correct.. close to identical.. should I toss it in the bulk change jar, "sleeve it", list it save fir my kids? Not looking for a "you poor thing" but I got evicted and literally anything helps.. my local coin shops don't know how to identify a DD and only buy stuff they can melt down.. just curious what I should so with all of the Machine Doubling, Die Deterioration and minor things like that..
Sorry to hear about your hard times and hope things get better. I personally don't think there is a premium for something like this, I tossed mine awhile back into my out bin but you may be able to sell them on ebay or somewhere similar, I've seen crazier things sold.
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