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Thoughts On Authenticity Of This $10 Gold

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I will try this one more time.

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It would be best if you attached these images to your original thread.
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It would be best if you attached these images to your original thread.


Done.
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My guess would be it's probably not genuine.
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turingmach, thanks for the insight & help, at this point I'm going to stay away from this coin.
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I still think the disparate lighting makes it hard to compare these coins with certainty.
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turingmach, thanks for the insight & help, at this point I'm going to stay away from this coin.


I am not 100% certain the coin is a fake, but there is enough evidence to pass. Good Decision.
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I have purchased (in the past) a couple of fake $2 1/2 gold liberty coins latter date in the 1902-1905 range. What I learned was the denticles were too crisp and clean compared to the genuine examples. Consider this coin is a jewelry piece, it has also been polished heavily, thus changing the luster and small die details that one would use to verify certain die diagnostics.

I can't say one way or the other either, but I'd be wary and want a guarantee from the seller. At least the fakes I bought were all solid gold and actually a touch heavy, so I didn't do badly, as I paid around bullion cost for them at a coin show. I was the dealer and I bought them off an elderly lady - go figure.

EDIT: fortcollins, interesting thought, I was told my quarter eagles were likely middle eastern manufactured. Never knew why, but that concept certainly add plausibility to the story of origin.
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This is just a possibility, and nothing more. I don't have strong feelings on this one, either way.

There are quite a few common date Liberty Eagles and Double Eagles that were counterfeited in the Middle East in the 1940s and 1950s. These were Arab counterfeits, using .900 Au, designed to allow conflict gold to be smuggled into the Middle East. Anything that appeared to be a genuine classic gold coin was able to pass through the borders, and the counterfeits were skillful enough to accomplish that purpose. If it passes an XRF and matches weight and specific gravity, but is counterfeit, it might be a possibility.
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I still think the disparate lighting makes it hard to compare these coins with certainty.


Coinfrog, I agree. The lighting in the photo and condition of the coin make it impossible to say with certainty one way or the other.
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Appears to be a genuine, common date, worth melt. It's a damaged piece of gold. Simply verifying the size and weight would tell you all you need to know because there's no numismatic value there. Just 90% gold.
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There are quite a few common date Liberty Eagles and Double Eagles that were counterfeited in the Middle East in the 1940s and 1950s. These were Arab counterfeits, using .900 Au, designed to allow conflict gold to be smuggled into the Middle East.
I thought they were made to evade the ban on owning gold in the US, by using the numismatic exception. I hadn't read that there was also an issue with conflict gold in the ME but that sounds reasonable too.
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Looks fake. What is the wiehgt?
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The following is from Coinweek:

"Counterfeit gold coins exist for virtually every date of US gold coins. The Middle East fakes were generally not intended to fool collectors. Rather, many of the spurious pieces originated in 1960s and '70s in the Middle East (particularly Lebanon), where merchants preferred gold in coin form as a store of value. The merchants were not particularly concerned with the authenticity of the coin as long as it had the correct weight and composition.

A number of these Middle Eastern fakes ended up in the US, where private ownership of gold was illegal until December 31, 1974. Many of them were likely imported by people who wanted to own gold coins, but could not legally acquire genuine US gold coins domestically".
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Good stuff on the Middle East gold counterfeits. As I recall the pair I bought, were better looking than a "real coin" according to a few other guys I trust. dropping names they were JP Martin, (head grader) Keith Love (President & founder) at ICG and Leonard Albrecht of ANACS are 3 that I remember looked at the coin. Somewhere I might have an old photo, but it's not on my computer, this was back in the days of real film. I do remember one of them being a 1902 for sure. It looked perfect to me at the time. So maybe mine weren't Middle East fakes, who knows, it was a long time ago.
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