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So Many Bad 1881-CC $ "Coins" In "PCGS" Holders Lately

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This example was pulled earlier this summer:

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Recently there were 3 simultaneous listings running with these and three different sellers images:

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One of the three had a clear image of the slab:

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Listings are gone but another just showed up!

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Comparison of the CC MM to known ones:

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Makes one wonder what the genuine one actually looks like!

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Hey, Burfle23! I'm going to ask a (probably) dumb question: are you saying these coins are over graded, counterfeit, or what?
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All of the slabs have the same PCGS certification number. The scammers are really reaching now!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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counterfeit in fake PCGS holders

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 Posted 10/20/2022  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Missed that one; makes 5 since August...

Counterfeit slabs for sure; the one I showed compared to genuine reverses is counterfeit. Images are probably intentionally bad...

This latest one looks off as well:

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Thanks! I was looking at the coins, since they were described as "bad."

This might be a good argument for TPGs to photograph all the coins they grade. That way anybody who counterfeits their slabs is at a greater risk of being busted.
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One of the reasons why none of the coins in my collection are slabbed.
But not the main reason.
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At least a genuine TPG slab carries a guarantee of authenticity with all of the top TPGs.

One of the big issues I see in the marketplace is the number of active PCGS certs with no on-line coin images. That and the availability of similar slab components available make them a large target for the counterfeiters...
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Unless PCGS has changed, those slabs are bogus.
PCGS always had their initials on the lower right front of their slabs.
I don't see them on the posted images.
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These just continue...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204129492420

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This is the 6th different seller since this summer...
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Found the genuine example:


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As I posted earlier, I don't do slabs but
thx for the pics.

They can be used by us all as an educational tool. to learn how to identify this sort of fake.
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thank you for the time you spend on identifying counterfeits and educating the collectors! the hobby is a better place with you in it.
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7th example on the internet I've documented:

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Notified PCGS and updated cert:

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"Buy the coin, Not the Slab"
should be good advice for us all.
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