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1967 Quarter Missing Clad Layer W/ Laminations

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The copper look to this quarter plus the laminations really give it that Lincoln Cent feel on a larger coin. I haven't seen any copper core laminations on a quarter like this so I wonder how uncommon that is. Impurities are a cause of clad layers falling off so maybe it is expected. It's hard to tell with the strike weakness and lams but the reverse does seem mint state so I wonder how this might grade? Opinions welcome, thanks for looking.

Weight - 4.57g


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1967-Quarter-Missing-Clad-Layer-W/-Laminations
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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Very interesting coin. Did you find it in circulation?

I see lots of rub so definitely not MS. I also see a rim Cud on the reverse at 6 o'clock.
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Neat. Seems odd that it would be missing a clad layer "and" have a lam issue
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This one is an oddity. Worth saving in a 2x2 for sure.
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Agree with all above. Very, very interesting.
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Excellent find and very interesting.

We see lamination issues on copper quite a bit, just not on quarters missing a clad layer.
Any chance of getting an image of the edge and reeding where the lam crosses the rim?
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Very poor mixt of alloy. I see a crack planchet and missing ex-foliations of the planchet. The green is come from the oxidation of the metal more pronounced where the crystallin structure. separated. I d o not think that this side of the coin was ever cladded.
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I don't think this one ever had a clad layer because I see radial flow lines in multiple areas on the obverse. Since these are actually on the die and transferred to the coin at striking it seems most likely they would be present only if the clad layer never was.

The coin's weight and light overall strike appears to support the missing clad layer.

Also, the Cud on the reverse at K6 left a neat reminder on the obverse at a little right of K1, so I wonder if the coin doesn't have a slight die rotation issue as well.

Unfortunately the softer copper obverse appears to have some rubbing on the cheeks, hairline and ears, so MS seems a tough sell. Maybe an acetone bath and a favorable grader might get you there, though.

Super cool!
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Thanks for the replies on this. It would seem that the lamination issue is quite unusual from the responses.


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Any chance of getting an image of the edge and reeding where the lam crosses the rim?

PP55- I took a look around the rim and there is nothing different from the photo I provided.

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the Cud on the reverse at K6 left a neat reminder on the obverse at a little right of K1, so I wonder if the coin doesn't have a slight die rotation issue as well.

I don't believe this is a Cud but rather some cladding remnant much like a folded over Rim Fin. The weakness at K1 is inline with the two vertical strips of delamination features.

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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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The weight is what one would expect of a missing clad error in which the absent layer was lost after blanking. This is the first example I've seen that shows lamination cracks affecting the exposed copper core. Pure copper is less prone to such errors than copper alloys. However, since pure copper large cents can suffer from lamination errors, there's no reason why the pure copper core of a clad coin shouldn't be affected as well.
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Very nice quarter. This sure is something I have not seen before. (I'm sure it is worth at least .25¢ )
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Thanks for the insight on this one Mike!



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I'm sure it is worth at least .25¢


Thanks Dearborn, but one thing I learned from working retail marketing was you either use the decimal or the cent sign but never both. This represents a quarter of a quarter so it is definitely worth more than $.062


"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Nice find and congrats.
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I like your coin it has created some good conversation, can not see clearly but is that a doubled ear or just MD?
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I'll up Dearborns bid to .75 Nice a 2fer as stated above I've never seen a lam on a clad layer missing. This one I might send to ANACS, just to have it official.
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