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1845 Liberty Half Eagle: Grade Estimates And Comments, Please!

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I may have overpaid for this, but the days of cheap half eagles seem to be gone. Guess I'd rather grab some gold now when opportunity allows. This one is in a no-problem NGC holder.

1845-Liberty-Half-Eagle:--Grade-Estimates-And-Comments,-Please!
1845-Liberty-Half-Eagle:--Grade-Estimates-And-Comments,-Please!
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 Posted 05/11/2023  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-63, just a stab, don't have much experience here.
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MS-63. Too many scratches to reach a 64 yet plenty of luster for a strong 63. It could stretch to a 64 in a TPG's eyes with a 10x Loupe. Very, Very nice! Good job!
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Zero chance it is mint state. There is hardly any luster left! AU-50.
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AU55
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I'll say 55
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Nice early date! AU-58
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Dsking- I've noticed you keep mentioning TPG's and 10x loupes.

Some graders grade coins naked eye, and if needed they use a 5x, not a 10x.

Under higher magnification a coin looks worse, so that theory of it can grade higher under a 10x is a fallacy.
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Agree with this comment.
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Then why does PCGS mention using a 5x or 10x Loupe? https://www.PCGS.com/news/tools-of-...g%20problems.


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The most common loupes found with graders and discerning collectors will be from 5X to 10X power. Anything higher than 10 will generally only be used for Counterfeit Detection, variety attribution, and numeric grade limiting problems. The proper way to use a loupe is to bring it all the way up to your eye, only a few millimeters away, then bring the coin up to the glass until it is in focus. The most common mistake with a loupe is using it at arms-length to view a coin. This doesn't give the user a complete field of vision and clarity.


And yes the first go-around is with the naked eye. We grade on CCF looking at every detail of the coins from photos or scopes. Wouldn't that make our grades lower or higher than a professional grader because of everything that we look at that a pro would not otherwise see?

Additionally, a pro grader will have the coin in-hand and may increase or decrease our guesstimates due to seeing the coin in it's true form. They may choose to use a Loupe or not depending upon the coin.

Jaobler: I'm sorry that we got off-track. I certainly didn't mean to cause a ruckus over my "loupe" comment. You have a lovely coin and a valuable one. Great acquisition!

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Nice coin. I would say AU 55 or 58 based on the wear on the high points obv and reverse.
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I'd be in the high AU group —- AU58. Nice older half eagle!
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Looks AU to me with a wipe that's probably maret-acceptable on an 1845 gold piece.

I might be a touch low but my guess is AU53.
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I say AU53-55.
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very similar to the 1860. the reverse here is a tad better but I think the overall coin is not enough to make AU58 due to the missing luster on both sides. i'll stay with AU55 on this one also
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