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In advance, I am not familiar with Canadian currency. While going through my coins, I found a leather pouch with all sorts of foreign currency, definitely gifted to me when I was a kid. There were a handful of 1940-1976 Canadian cents, and inspired by the tale of a CCF guy who wrote the book on Canadian doubled dies, I checked out a variety site. I was checking a 1965 cent for small-large beads and blunt-pointed 5 when I noticed some odd doubling on the final letters of Elizabeth II. Is this normal for Canadian cents? If I saw this on a Lincoln Cent, I would immediately begin checking for other evidence of doubling. Unfortunately, I have no idea what site to check, markers to examine, et cetera. Is this DDD, MD, another common phenomenon, or actual die doubling?       I believe the answer to my initial question is large beads, blunt 5. The variety reference site did not explain the significance of small vs. large, pointed vs. blunt. I assume one of those is rare, and odds are that it isn't this one. |
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I would say that it is a little bit of MD, not doubled date. MD is machine or Mechanical Doubling caused by slightly loose die in the keepers/clamps. It would add very little, except as something different just to say you found it. |
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Agree with the assessment above.
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Ok, I will return it to the pouch. I had read somewhere that Canadian doubled dies are often confused with MD. The beads above the H and II had a similar flattened quality as O'Connor's website pictures.
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Brandmeister, Although you are correct that Canadian doubled die varieties do feature flatter qualities compared to that of the US doubled die varieties, the main difference between MD and a genuine doubled die for Canada is visible notching and separation of the doubled details, if you cannot find visible separation or notching than it is likely MD. As for your example, I would need to see the first 5 letters in Elizabeth (ELIZA) as that would be where you will find the notching and clear separation of the first and second hubbing impression if a doubled die were to be present. With that said, for 1965 there has been talk of a DDO floating around but I have yet to actually see or find one to properly examine, so for now the only doubled die for 1965 that I am fully aware of is the 1965 DDR with a doubled bud that Ken Potter had documented. Keep in mind that doubled die varieties can, and sometimes do, feature Machine Doubling and even Die Deterioration all at the same time making it a bit more difficult to determine without the right magnification. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Brandmeister, From the additional photos, unfortunately, this is just Machine Doubling. I see no split serifs or notching where they should be. Also, from the last photo, you can see that the beads directly above the queen's crown have been reduced in size, while the ones directly in front/above the queen's crown are fully intact. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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