1984 Double Die Lincoln Cent

Bill, I want to thank-you for your reply, I know sometimes "we 'have had a difference of opinion, but this is what I hope you and I can continue to do, sometimes, agree to disagree, be well, Mike...

How about them Yankees!!

absolutely not, an error coin would be something that happened to a few specific coins, a variety will be on every coin struck with those particular dies. That would be like calling every Morgan VAM an error when in fact you can have thousands of coins with the exact same attributes because it was something made in the dies itself instead of some kind of error in the planchet,striking process or some other condition that is not on every other coin struck with that particular set of dies

Bryan, here we go, 1st I hope this message finds you well. also I have a tremendous problem with the community calling certain coins a variety( the coin collecting community).You made mention of the Morgan silver dollar, this coin is very dear to my collection and to hear people say that the VAMS are not an error, to me, is not exactly clear, 1st because people say the attributes are not because of the striking or planchet process, but state because it took place in the dies. I personally do not care where in the coin making process the differences took place, whether the coin is an EDS, MDS, LDS, or anywhere in between. I do not feel, IMHO, that this sort of censoring is an exacting truth, we all know that during any Die's life there will be some differences in every coin made from that distinct die, whether noticeable by the naked eye or under magnification, that said I do not agree with your statement and with all due respect, I do not and will not use terminology to further the passion of collecting coins and my love of Numismatics, that does not make sense to me. I know these terms have a meaning, I just do not agree.
Why does an error have to be from any chosen part of the coin making process, I have hundreds of the same year Morgan's and no two are alike,some have a drastic difference and this is part of my point. Also, why does the Mint release to the public coins that have a ( in my opinion ) beautiful die break across the entire obverse or have the reverse clashed on to the obverse and these are not considered Errors, I respectfully dis-agree......... PS: While I appreciate the responses to my post, I also reserve the right to not agree with some statements made.....

I regard the whole point of using specific terminology is to accurately describe a mechanical process involving a coin. This isn't an "anal" technicality because it pertains directly to understanding the cause of errors and varieties, as well as to estimate their rarity and value, among other things. It should be noted here that the numismatic community arrived at general consensus for "die variety" vs "mint error"--and for good reason.

Therefore, if someone experienced/knowledgeable makes the effort to explain the proper terminology, we should respect that--end of story.

Otherwise, we run the risk of suggesting there's a controversy when none actually exists--and confusing collectors in the process.

Bio, I am not suggesting what you are claiming, you are entitled to YOUR opinion and actually, I see you have a sense of humor, your reply is quite funny...

DVC, I hope this message finds you well, I do not know you and look forward to more of your involvement in this subject matter, that said, I am not a sheep and never will be. I do respect the experienced and knowledgeable people and their information, just do not agree, NOT end of story....

Chuck, also I hope you are well and did not know you have your own forum. I do know I have much to learn, this includes more than the terminology in numismatics, I just , as you can tell do not agree that because it is written or someone who professes to Not be an Error expert says so that this is written in stone, just my opinion. I truly mean to say to you I wish you well in your selected profession and thank-you for all you have given of your self to this forum and collectors like myself, also I am not making things difficult on anyone,as you suggested.I enjoy learning about this hobby/addiction and the way you feel about "Errors" and could care less and get insulted when someone might refer to you as an "error expert", well I do not feel that the difference between variety and errors are all that mighty to me, this also is just my opinion as we all have one, right or wrong, who's to judge? I know people here mean well, and to sum this all up, It's not easy to be me.......just my opinions.

XSHIFT, I thank-you for your kind thoughtful words,You also have a way with your words to put your point out for all to see, very clearly, very well done. Be Well, Mike...