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A very quick look at the reverse on the 1877 and most here will be able to tell you if its the real deal or not. I don't see anything from these images to tell me they are not authentic. This is coming from someone who has owned numerous different MS examples over the years, as well as numerous other circulated ones.
I lean towards authentic. The 1909 s is sharp everywhere except for the feather tips, which is the first thing I would look at on the obverse. Again, the 1877 looks like obverse die #1. The color is concerning, considering I cannot see detail in all the diamonds, but these were very worn dies at the end.
Thats the best I can do with these images.
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Also, for what its worth, PCGS has graded 472 Red-Brown and 91 full Red for the 1877. I know that number is inflated with resubmissions, but it is certainly higher than 50-60.
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Bedrock of the Community
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When zooming in, the rims and denticles look identical on both coins. That raises a big red flag with me.
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Bedrock of the Community
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1877 IHC do exist in that level of preservation. They are worth tens of thousands of dollars each. |
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They do exist in this level of preservation. I have one. It just happens to be graded.
MOST you see will be graded, but not all are graded. Remember, Stewart Blay bought his example raw and then had it graded (66+RD). Grading has only been around for 40 or so years, so grandpas collections may still be full of raw coins if they were collected in the 60s and 70s and there was no intention to ever grade them.
For me, I look at the evidence. Both coins show attributes I would expect them to show, so I lean to authentic. The ONLY thing that scares me about them is the freshness of the staples.
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Also, for what its worth, PCGS has graded 472 Red-Brown and 91 full Red for the 1877. I know that number is inflated with resubmissions, but it is certainly higher than 50-60. I was looking at the full Red numbers, but you are right, I missed a couple of numbers adding them up in my head. |
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I notice the 1 (on the 1877) is missing the right serif. I don't know if any real ones are like that, but it's one clear area in the photo and the serif appears to be completely chopped off. Hard to judge anything from these photos though.
Edited by kbbpll
12/15/2023 02:31 am
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lol, RedRaider, I was focused on the packaging as well when I first saw this post go up. Those staples are fresh.
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Matthew23, You need to tell that guy you know to post good photos of the coins out of the holders front and back.That's the only way we will be able to help.As of now he is just teasing us  John1  |
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FREE OPINION:
Both are counterfeit based on the images provided so far (12/15 @9:23a)
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I notice the 1 (on the 1877) is missing the right serif. I don't know if any real ones are like that, but it's one clear area in the photo and the serif appears to be completely chopped off. Hard to judge anything from these photos though.] Good catch. There were only two obverse dies used on the 1877 and both had the right serif on the one. The 1877 is a fake. |
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I wish I could get more images but unfortunately these are not mine, I was just showing what he showed me, but I'm like 75% skeptical they are fake just because I know the coin shop he bought them from is not known for always buying real coins unfortunately, they get sometimes tricked on fake coins, if I'm ever putting out that kind of money they better be graded and better be from a reputable seller. This makes no sense WHY would anyone buy multi thousand dollar coins from a coin shop with "fake coins" This has to be a joke post. No one can be this clueless. Edited by hfjacinto
12/15/2023 3:25 pm
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This is not a joke, I buy coins from him and I've noticed he had some uncirculated Indians one time and they were fake, I just think he doesn't know, he's not a collector really, he buys and sells usually so I'm sure he just doesn't know between fake and real Indian cents, no way I would buy those not graded, remember he bought a whole set and the set was between au and unc I'm wondering how many are really real. |
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So your friend who isn't a collector just spent over $10k on high end coins not knowing if they are real?
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Ask your friend to join CCF so we can talk to him directly. We have questions. John1 |
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Posted 12/14/2023 9:23 pm
